Commod0re

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Commod0re,

Likewise mostly Enlisted people would be spending a few years at most and moving onto other careers in civilian life as most people don’t want to be in the military forever and if they do they become officers.

We see this bear out in Miles O’brien. He enlisted in starfleet rather than attending the academy. He climbed the ranks (mostly in backstory) and by the time we meet him in TNG he’s a chief petty officer, non-commissioned but officer nonetheless. When he accepts the promotion/transfer to DS9 he achieves the rank of senior chief petty officer.

Its hard to say for sure that the rest of the show is inaccurate (or otherwise) in this regard because the shows mainly focus on bridge officers. Many characters receive offscreen promotions throughout the shows and you have to pay close attention to their uniforms and rank insignia to catch it. But also, you have to bear in mind how narrow a view we get of any crew outside of like Voyager.

For example, the Enterprise-D, as a Galaxy-class starship, can have a crew complement of anywhere from 1,000 to 6,000, and TNG as a show overwhelmingly focuses on just 7 of them. “best” case that’s a view of about a half a percent of them, so it would be easy to draw nonsensical conclusions if you overly extrapolate from that small percentage. Maybe a lot of crewmen do actually retire after just a few years, it’s hard to say for sure since there is basically no evidence either way.

Basically everyone in the commissioned officer corps (ensign and above) attended the academy first in order to receive the officer commission. You would not go to officer academy in real life if you did not intend to dedicate your main career to being a military officer, and likewise, people who attend starfleet academy generally intend to dedicate their careers to starfleet. Every depiction of the Enterprise is that it is the federation flagship and so we can consider a station there as being highly sought after and likewise regarded, it represents a high potential for being a crowning point on anyone’s career, so it kinda makes sense that the core officers might be reluctant to trade in for an inferior assignment, even if it meant a bigger promotion. Another aspect of this is loyalty: most of the officers depicted across all of the shows are supposed to be stand-out talents among the federation, with solid leadership skills that clearly foster loyalty. Loyalty that can create a reluctance for too much change. We see this reflected in Riker’s long resistance to getting promoted off the Enterprise to Captain. He doesn’t want to, partly out of loyalty to Picard, but also partly out of loyalty to the officers that report to him, and by extension the rest of the crew, and partly out of the chance that his potential new command is simply not as cool as being the first officer of the Enterprise.

Voyager has different circumstances, of course: the crew complement is much smaller, and they are stranded, but Rick Berman also decided that field promotions would be unlikely in their circumstances since they have no real way to gain more crew

There would be fewer officers

Important to note that even among the enlisted ranks, the NCO corps begins just one rank above crewman. Similar to real life military there are only 3 ranks of non-officers

Commod0re,

with Sisko it’s specifically because, until they discover the wormhole, DS9 is considered a backwater post.

Typically, base commanders are at least captain rank. Sometimes bases are commanded by lower ranks, and there can be different reasons but in this case: it’s remote and considered a less important “backwater” post compared to other bases. His eventual promotion to Captain belatedly corrects for how important the station became, as a trade/transit hub and as a strategic asset, after the wormhole discovery

Commod0re,

because on the screens of the era, it didn’t really matter because who’s gonna look that closely at the guy’s neck?

Maybe I was a weird kid but I was keenly aware of the pips on the uniforms after the point in TNG where they vaguely explain how the rank insignia pips work. It was never for any particular reason except to know another “thing” about my favorite characters.

That’s not to say that you’re wrong, maybe that’s what they told themselves when they didn’t change it! But if so they definitely underestimated some fans, lol

Commod0re,

Yeah I think that, aside from adding a bit of navy-esque flair to the shows, it also helps distinguish who is “in charge”, and frames the way orders are issued and followed in a way that readily makes sense to the audience

Commod0re,

That’s a good point, I mainly paid attention to the officer pips

Commod0re,

tbh if you printed in plain PLA you would probably see the same flaws. I don’t think you missed anything in particular. You might be able to clean up the “stalactites” (for lack of a better word) by tweaking retraction but otherwise this is pretty much just what you get when you print with details on the top layers, especially with a big nozzle

Try arachne perimeter generator Try a smaller nozzle - 0.8 is pretty big and the size of this orifice is your primary limiting factor on X/Y detail. You should be able to print wood down to at least 0.4 Try a finer layer height (may need to use a smaller nozzle to make this work)

Honestly the print looks quite clean overall, this is kinda just what you get when you print with details on the top layer. Your best bet might be to change the orientation of the part to put more of the detail along the Z axis

Who are your favorite Trek reviewers/Youtubers?

I have a few, my fav is Jessie Gender, who gives insightful reviews but doesnt shy away from criticism of Trek. I also like how she looks at things from a gender critical angle, which is something few peoppe think about. Sean Ferrick is another cool one, as are the guys from Trekyards who are more focussed on tech and ships. Who...

Commod0re,

Looks lego compatible or at least inspired to me. I’m wary by default from experience with other lego-compatibles. There’s definitely something nostalgic about their catalog but I wish the sets were more detailed. On the other hand the sheer number of different ships they have is pretty cool

Commod0re,

I always had the sense that the Enterprise E was a well liked design

Commod0re,

Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.

It’s very easy to take a point of view that makes it look like mysogyny whenever a show with a woman-led cast gets canceled but let’s face the simplest facts first: Paramount+ is a shit streaming platform with a limited library. Prodigy is a kids show and kids shows don’t drive subscribers. If they really wanted the show to succeed they would have put it somewhere with an actual audience.

When it comes down to it, Paramount+ itself was an idiotic play. They should never have tried to go solo but all they could see was a gold rush, now they are finally starting to see that they were actually late and are stuck scrabbling for scraps with their limited offerings

Commod0re,

Janeway made the right choice with Tuvix. It might have been murder but the alternative was double murder

Commod0re,

to be perfectly honest, order doesn't really matter. There is a small amount of interplay between TNG and DS9 and that's about it. Watch it in whatever order fancies you, as long as you don't watch Enterprise first because it's high level of boredom might turn you off

Trust me when I say that if Trek strikes your fancy, you probably will want to devour the rest

personally I would suggest starting with TNG, that one definitely qualifies as the "most universally loved". Plus, if you liked Lower Decks, then TNG-era Trek is likely to be your jam anyway

after TNG, watch DS9 and Voyager in whatever order you want. They ran concurrently originally, with DS9 having started a couple years before Voyager. You can watch the TNG movies anytime after finishing TNG bearing in mind that First Contact has minor consequences in DS9 (you will mainly notice a uniform change that coincided with the release of that movie)

watch the TOS movies at some point! they are much easier to get into than TOS proper. Just bear in mind that the even numbered ones are generally better liked than the odd numbered ones.

Commod0re,

the thing about Enterprise is even at its worst, it’s not an entirely bad show - the supporting cast is good, they are set in an interesting time period, and the premise is ostensibly interesting.

The main problem for me is that, setting aside the fact that the main theme comes straight from the Patch Adams soundtrack, the show is straight up boring. They came so close to something really interesting with Archer being flawed because he was the first, and perhaps even not really the right guy to be captain. But then the writers had to make him a mary sue, he fails is way to success every episode, and becomes like the ship’s alcoholic dad, constantly getting into the dumbest yelling arguments with his wife first officer — who he is also canonically racist against by the way. You would think/hope they were setting him up for some growth on that, but, instead they chose to try to make a lot of the show indirectly relevant to 9/11

By the time the show finally set the stage to become interesting the majority of its audience had already been alienated

What Paramount ought to realize about it is that Enterprise failed because of the writers and producers and not because of the cast or setting and it should not be very difficult to do significantly better than the original

Commod0re, (edited )

Generations was a “passing the torch” movie - it was an ending for the TOS crew, passing the movie torch to the TNG crew, and making way for a wide screen Enterprise as well. I guess you could say it was a botched second ending for Kirk though, that would be fair

It’s definitely not the strongest Trek movie but it’s also technically an odd-numbered film (being the seventh) so it makes sense that it’s not as good as it could have been

That said, isn’t the Picard ending #3 already? All Good Things was ending 1, Nemesis was ending 2, Picard is now ending 3, so another movie would be a fourth?

Commod0re,

you say that like Trek was never known for killing off side characters lol

Commod0re,

For me the lack of desire to interact in that way means that it would be convenient if I could follow certain mastodon accounts through lemmy, but because I have no desire to microblog or attempt to interact with celebrities, in turn, I have no desire to set up a mastodon account just to lurk a few accounts

Commod0re,

If it never works out I’ll live, it would be neat if it happens eventually though :D

Commod0re,

It’s not that I wouldn’t find any of the content interesting, I just don’t feel like contributing on that kind of platform. Something about it just doesn’t appeal to me enough. It’s tough to nail down a concrete explanation of why exactly, yelling into the void just doesn’t do it for me. I prefer this more forum-like format where there’s space to be thoughtful and wordy in between the spicy space memes

Because of that, it would be neat if I could aggregate more Trek content into my life by following some accounts, but if I have to create another account and visit another separate website in order to do that I’ll have to pass, at least for now

Commod0re,

Wesley. Kes is boring

Commod0re,

It feels unfair to all those people to put a kid on the bridge instead of an adult in the middle of their career.

It’s partially a testament to what a prodigy he’s supposed to be, but it’s also an artifact of Picard’s friendship with his mother and late father, and a soft character progression for both of them because up to that point no children were allowed on the bridge with him at all

Trek fans in that era got hung up on some weird stuff for sure. I knew several people who hated Neelix for basically the entire Voyager run mainly because of that one early episode where he acted jealously even though he got over it by the end of the episode lol

Commod0re,

I didn’t watch this video but to me, the “where Picard went wrong” was clearly revealed in the first after show about it: one of the main writers was rock hard with excitement to tell us all about how he really wanted to prove he could do a dark star trek show, which to me, seems to miss the whole point of star trek. That guy is what went wrong with it

It’s not so wrong as to not be worth watching, but it does drive a need to be ready for it rather than a need to consume it, and so I have still not seen the whole show yet

Commod0re, (edited )

Strange New Worlds continues to fit the Trek mold for me, and I am into it!

There were some elements of the story I found a little odd. I appreciate the nod to Star Trek III with Spock stealing the Enterprise, but it felt a little out of character for him

I think the new Klingon design is quite good, and holy cow the practical effects for them are incredible! Very reminiscent of 90s Trek Klingons with a hint of the look of Discovery Klingons. I wonder if we’ll see a canon explanation for why the TOS klingons largely don’t have the ridges beyond Worf’s “we don’t talk about it”

Pelia! Oh man I am so stoked to see more of her. What a cool character. I wish they had introduced her a little earlier, so we would already know she’s the chief inspector when she saunters onto the bridge, but I loved how she saw through their ruse instantly, and then invited herself to join their mission. Such a badass

Commod0re,

I am confused by the choice to have the Klingons look like the redesign. This is TOS era so surely they should look like TOS era Klingons, no?

In the DS9 episode “Trials and Tribble-ations” some of the cast time travel into the (legendary) TOS episode “The Trouble with Tribbles” and when asked why the Klingons from that era look different Worf only says “we don’t talk about it”

SNW takes place a number of years before that TOS episode, so perhaps we will learn what happens sometime in the future as SNW gets closer and closer to the start of TOS

Commod0re,

Interesting! I’ve played a bit of New Horizons and it’s amazing, if New Civilizations is even better I’ll definitely have to check that out

Commod0re,

I have not, it’s been a while since I’ve played sins, sounds like a fun excuse to revisit!

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