Note: It’s become clear to me that so far the vegan community on Lemmy (unlike Reddit) is lacking and overrun by non-vegans. So please only answer this if you’re actually vegan. I’m seeking a vegan perspective on this....
There are factual differences between races. Sure the differences might not be as pronounced as differences between species, but why does that matter? Why should those differences forbid us from treating them all equally given that they’re all sentient beings?
Why is it that the one person who responded who seemed to actually be vegan had their messages deleted? Are the mods here not vegan? Or are higher up Lemmy mods brigading this sub?
Okay I believe you (Not all vegans are the same after all. For example some people call themselves vegan when they’re really just eating a plant-based diet, still buy other animal products, or don’t have very strong views about animal rights. Not saying that’s the case here but when there are fewer vegans in a community, there can be more of that.)
But what confused me is that rather than just answering the question of whether it’s speciesist to prefer one animal species over another (even when respecting both of their rights by being vegan), you mostly went on a tangent about rejecting the comparison between racism and speciesism, even though vegans typically stress the fact that both forms of discrimination of individuals are comparable to each other, and it’s usually people who are against the vegan movement who try to argue they aren’t, and say things like “Considering humans and non-human animals as the same is problematic” (even though that’s a strawman since the vegan position acknowledges the differences between species but advocates for moral treatment of all species regardless).
I just don’t really understand. Do you for example think that it’s wrong to compare immoral treatment of humans to immoral treatment of non-human animals? Because that’s the vibe I’m getting.
Treating them all as equally well as possible makes sense, to be clear. That means not exploiting or harming any of them unnecessarily.
But treating them in exactly the same way doesn’t, since they have different needs and considerations as you point out. I agree with that.
And I’m not saying we should have all animals as pets, in fact due to the suffering it causes I would be wholly against the domestication of any more animals.
But we don’t have to treat animals in the same exact ways in order to respect and love them equally, even remotely or conceptually, even just based on the knowledge of them. It does feel strange to me to say “this species is my favourite species”. Is it speciesist? I’m not sure. It’s definitely not as bad as exploiting species selectively. But it might have some remnant of the views that led to those practices in the first place, potentially. I’m conflicted about it like another vegan said here whose comment was deleted.
Recognising that speciesism is an immoral form of discrimination comparable to other forms like racism is key to animal liberation. So I believe rejecting the comparison is contrary to what veganism actually stands for.
For a change from people asking who is your favorite vegan celebrity or person you didn’t expect to be vegan or whatnot, I thought it would be interesting to see who is our least favorite vegan....
Probably the only reason I would watch the series is to see something about veganism (it’s pretty long otherwise). If anyone knows that might save me watching it. Thanks...
The words don’t seem that common, but I think ‘animalist’ or ‘animalism’ put the focus back on animals, similar to ‘feminist/feminism’, and more accurately describe what veganism means to me: a moral stance supporting animals. It somewhat confuses me that there isn’t a simple term to denote full support and...
Is She-Hulk actually bad or are the 'haters' just misogynists?
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Why is that on the internet, people assume you're a male from America, but if you're a vegan on the internet, people assume you're female?
Is it problematic/speciesist to have a favourite animal?
Note: It’s become clear to me that so far the vegan community on Lemmy (unlike Reddit) is lacking and overrun by non-vegans. So please only answer this if you’re actually vegan. I’m seeking a vegan perspective on this....
Who is your least favorite vegan person?
For a change from people asking who is your favorite vegan celebrity or person you didn’t expect to be vegan or whatnot, I thought it would be interesting to see who is our least favorite vegan....
They're hurting my friends
And I feel powerless to stop them. Does anyone else feel like this?
How is it that there are cold treatments and hot treatments for the same injuries/conditions?
Is it just “extreme temperatures” in general that can have medicinal properties?
Does the new Scott Pilgrim anime have vegan references? (For anyone that watched it)
Probably the only reason I would watch the series is to see something about veganism (it’s pretty long otherwise). If anyone knows that might save me watching it. Thanks...
Can we identify as animalists?
The words don’t seem that common, but I think ‘animalist’ or ‘animalism’ put the focus back on animals, similar to ‘feminist/feminism’, and more accurately describe what veganism means to me: a moral stance supporting animals. It somewhat confuses me that there isn’t a simple term to denote full support and...
Could vampires drink lab-grown blood?
Movies/TV about abolitionists during times of human slavery?
Films about slavery usually focus on the victims themselves, which is understandable....