One of the key things about tracking UAP seems to be narrowing down the spectrums at which they can be observed. Infrared seems to be more frequently reported for visual detection and there are specific radio frequencies they’re detected at. Even a presentation by AARO highlighted signatures that they’re often detected at.
Definitely a good question and one there doesn’t seem to be a solid answer too. Also, some of the suggested speeds of UAP should be creating shock waves, whereas they’re typically silent and have no discernible impact on their surroundings. It’s as if they’re not truly occupying the space they’re in. Suggestions I’ve seen are that they’re moving outside our known/perceived dimensions or using a means of warping gravity and essentially displacing their surroundings.
I agree. There are a few semi-regulars on here, though it definitely pales compared to a certain other platform. Lemmy is a great site, but niche communities can have trouble taking off. I try to keep an eye out for news or informative articles to post and occasionally those posts take off. UAP is a topic that has a lot of interest, but getting user engagement is a different story.
I think events like the UAP over Langley AFB and the UAP engaged by military over North America last year should have more coverage than they’ve had. There is a clear presence of objects of unknown origin that even our own military is concerned about. It should be an issue that bridges beliefs of what the objects are and where they come from. Whether they’re drones, NHI, or you name it, there is something engaging military bases and even interrupting military exercises. Unfortunately, the stigma on this subject can easily silence the news.
More recently, Schumer and a bipartisan group of five other senators introduced extraordinary legislation alleging the existence of surreptitious “legacy programs” that retrieve and seek to reverse-engineer UFOs of “non-human” origin.
A bit of both. Some are leaning into a non-human element, as documented in the amendment put forward by Schumer. A stripped down version of that passed with the last National Defense Authorization Act still including some mention of non-human intelligence. While others aren’t speculating on their origins, just that there are objects defying any currently known technology, some of which the US may have come into possession in the past.
People are dismissing the idea, but sightings by members of our own military suggest objects with movements that can’t be obtained by known technology. That’s on top of decades of public sightings that support the idea of something more out there. People hear mention of aliens and would rather dismiss the conversation as science fiction than explore idea of it. Even if it isn’t alien or non-human, there are sightings that warrant investigation and answers to the public.
This is an issue that deserves debate and not ridicule. It should be perfectly fine for people to present ideas like extraterrestrial/non-human life when examining an unknown phenomenon. Documented sightings and science will get to the root of what they are, but in the meantime speculation is what helps fuel the curiosity to learn more.
I’m not quite sure Chuck Schumer believes in Jesus. I know you’re just making an edgy comment, but do you really believe that people should be disregarded just for having a religious view? These are people are working off of reports from the intelligence community and DoD. This is a bipartisan issue being addressed in both the House and Senate. When members of the Gang of Eight have expressed concern over UAP then the topic at least deserves review.
I agree with the analogy, but not in your conclusion. Those were often animals that were misidentified. Even in your analogy you cite something observed that deserves research. Should we have ignored tales of mermaids and folk creatures that lead to the identification and study of new animals? I think it’s absurd to say that you should ignore something because you view it as a tall tale. I’m simply saying to let people speculate and let science determine what truth is.
Please explain the harm in what has been done so far in congress regarding UAP? The primary goal so far has been to get oversight of programs that have been over classified over decades that not congress or even the president have been aware of. Regardless of what the programs have been about, alien or not, they’re getting budgeting with absolutely no oversight.
You’re also putting a lot of words in my mouth. No where am I suggesting to take anyone by their word without researching the topic yourself. I sure don’t. If you trust any politician without second thought then you’re setting yourself up for disappointment.
A couple highlights from Sen. Gillibrand in the interview:
Regarding AARO’s report: “Oh, it’s definitely not case closed. I think that their report was just that their analysis of everything they were shown and everyone they talked to, cause they had no basis to say there’s a secret program. But of note, the two whistleblowers that I’ve met with did not meet with AARO and refused to meet with AARO. And so maybe the next director they’ll meet with, but I can’t assess them unless AARO can talk to them, cause I don’t — I mean, AARO knows what they know and what they’ve seen and what they’ve been shown.”
Regarding UAP: “It’s terrifying from a national security perspective and just for these pilots to have to fly and do their jobs to not be safe and to not know what they’re running up against. And I’m just very worried about technology that we’re not aware of, particularly if it’s from an adversary that’s doing it for malign interests, whether it’s Russia, China, Iran or others. Very important.”
You start your complaint about opinion articles. Most major news outlets have opinion pieces with disclaimers like that. That doesn’t change the content. This article is cited throughout, with links to back the claims of the author.
And, while I agree about Matt Gaetz, Eglin AFB is in his district and he did serve on the House Armed Services Committee and had the access to view the classified details of the event. Other reps showed to Eglin AFB to review the incident but were denied clearance.
Do you have anything relevant that you would like to discuss about the event and the DOD’s account?
And, responding to your edit, I preface most of my links with the source. If you look at the author’s history he is a regular at the Hill. Just because they put a disclaimer that it’s an opinion not supported by the Hill doesn’t invalidate the content or their trust in the author. Have some respect for the capability of Lemmy users to read the beginning of an article. And, if you have fault with the article please discuss the actual content instead of getting wrapped up in a disclaimer.
Nothing in the article or nothing in my statements has anything been about aliens. Do you make it a habit of bringing up irrelevant statements to make and win your own arguments?
I’m well aware of his claims. Just because you can’t attach it to any human capability doesn’t mean it’s extraterrestrial or isn’t human, just that it warrants further investigation. Would you feel any new technology that doesn’t lend to what people think is humanly possible is alien? If an adversary had technology that we weren’t aware of and defied our current expectations would that not be vital to understand?
I try to keep an open mind, but the goal isn’t to connect the dots to our expectations of what things are. It’s to learn what they are. And, regardless of reason, the DOD has purposely hindered efforts to investigate these events. Thank you for at least engaging the article.
Yep. The Air Force had publicly admitted to lying about Roswell for decades. Whether or not their most recent claims have any truths, it shows that they have lied about it in the past and recent events suggests that’s never stopped.
One of the biggest things I want is transparency from the DOD. I don’t expect everything to make it to the public, but there should at least be accountability with other groups within the government. The fact that they’ve failed 6 consecutive audits, admitted that they can’t account for where all of the money goes, and then proceed to lie to congress is troublesome.
The balloon excuse really is lazy at this point. The sad thing is that it’s enough for a lot of media to dismiss it. I’m open to prosaic explanations where appropriate, but they’re clearly going with any vague match they can use to end their investigation.
With the progress of technology, it really is difficult these days to grasp what the military is capable of. We keep breaking grounds of what we previously considered possible. Though there have been reports for decades of object maneuvering that we still haven’t publicly replicated or properly explained. Assuming any of those reports to be true, that either suggests there is an external factor, such as NHI, or the government has been concealing groundbreaking technology for way too long.
Some plausible scenarios I’ve come across that tie in with your second point are…
The government has documented UAP this whole time, but doesn’t have a comfortable grasp on what it is. Revealing that could be seen as a vulnerability, so they’d rather dismiss it than appear weak to the nation and world.
They’ve recovered technology of NHI or unknown origin and have been reverse engineering it for decades. The silence on it would then be to keep the advancements between the DOD and private contractors to benefit from. And/or, to cover potential illegal activity in the acquisition and monopoly of the technology.
There are a lot more scenarios I’ve seen, but these seem the most plausible and accessible.
Members of the Navy seem to be the most open about UAP experiences (David Fravor, Ryan Graves, Tim Gallaudet, etc.). There definitely seems to be a significant amount of sightings that occur over water, with claims of objects traversing between water and air. A well documented transmedium UAP could potentially tilt the debate towards non-human. Unfortunately, that may require the Navy/DoD themselves to openly present documented data to support claims by it’s personnel.
I’ve seen some amateur projects popping up for camera and visual sensors that either sell the gear or schematics to make your own sensors. However, I haven’t seen any programs so far that seem expansive or organized enough yet. And, they’re currently only monitoring the sky and not objects in the water. The systems I’ve seen are also expensive or daunting for an average person to set up. I think one is bound to catch on and hopefully help establish public data on the phenomenon.
The odd thing is that the DoD, alongside AARO’s report downplaying UAP, had announced plans for a portable sensor system for UAP. The Gremlin sensors are intended to be able to provide broad coverage of the US and potentially the world. Japan has already considered using these or similar to monitor their airspace. The problem again is that the data is controlled by the DoD or individual governments setting these up.
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