It seems like some wrap up 9/11 truth conspiracies into a bundle and throw them all away based on the most absurd ones, like the planes actually being taken away to some black site with all the passengers still alive.
In reality, if you view some of the details like the entire scenario surrounding the striking of the Pentagon, the very odd timing of air defense training/drills drawing fighter jets away from the region, and all the warnings from other intelligence agencies paired with Rumsfeld and friends’ actions that day, it seems just as absurd to say those were a ton of wacky coincidences
No, the thing that is special about all of them is that they’re living creatures that can experience pain and have desires to live in their natural environments
Your example isn’t doing any favors here. It’s honestly more concerning that all that matters to you is the label you assign to a being that gives its life worth. You’re explicitly acknowledging anything could be a pet that is meaningful to someone but some just get the shit end of the stick and are killed after a lifetime of torture instead
I don’t know what part of the thread I’m in at this point, but I’ve said elsewhere here that I agree this is more unhinged than average carnism defense. The underlying issue I’m trying to tease out here is the imposition of a human’s will upon the life of an animal because the human wanted to do that and didn’t care about the animal enough to make a different choice
The parent to this developing struggle session was not equivocating the two, it was asking why one made carnists feel a certain way and the mass torture of animals for food doesn’t
If you eat meat and this kind of story upsets you, please do some careful examination of why the industrial animal torture industries do not.
The Internet is text based, assigning a tone to what is typed is purely a personal problem to put it bluntly.
They are asking why industrial animal torture is not upsetting but killing a pet dog is. Why is someone who feels upset about the suffering of a dog not also upset about the suffering of a pig, cow, or chicken? If it’s purely the label of pet, we get back to the comment you replied to
For at least ten years, the Chinese Communist Party has been abducting its overseas citizens on EU territory and forcibly returning them to China - violating the rule of law and public security in Europe - a new report finds....
Performatively pretending to support movements against oppression is just no longer, in any way, less frustrating than the conservative tendency to just outright support oppression, and that’s all liberals do....
Came here to post this, so I’ll do this one instead
But the white liberals are foxes, who also show their teeth to the Negro but pretend that they are smiling. The white liberals are more dangerous than the conservatives; they lure the Negro, and as the Negro runs from the growling wolf, he flees into the open jaws of the “smiling” fox.
To build on that, I think it’s because “we” actively challenged and continued to grow our understanding to better fit the values held as a liberal. To us, the path out of liberalism is clear if you’re willing to really hold true to values like freedom for all and a sensible form of governance.
The contractions are everywhere, and instead of doing anything to show they do sincerely believe what they say, they make excuses or expend no effort to try and make their beliefs a reality. They’d rather blame everyone to their left and right after doing their one act to effect change, voting, than challenge themselves and their institutions.
Ultimately I think having someone who pretends to care about the same things as you be such obstinate shitheads is much more bothersome than someone who doesn’t. Stolen valor or something
I don’t want people to stop protesting, but I also don’t necessarily want comrades arrested for this.
If it felt like there was a snowball’s chance, then I’m all for putting yourself on the line to extract concessions. Currently it feels like almost the entire US political machine is riding on the “kill a ton of people trolley” and barely registering what all the bumps are. They couldn’t care less and will not change based on what we do so catching a charge for this doesn’t seem worth the non-existent squeeze.
I understand Palestinians feel supported by protest actions and reiterate my support for those, I’m only pointing out where it might be right to draw the line.
Very open to changing my mind on this though, I want to believe we can actually have an impact and not just show solidarity
Gotcha! They’ve been a great source for me the past few months. Iirc all the hosts have lived in Palestine for at least a few years of their lives and regularly have Palestinians on the live stream. The majority of their contributors are also Palestinians
I’m conflicted, as I do believe that action for the sake of the climate is morally correct, but that these actions aren’t accomplishing much of anything at this point.
Andreas Malm has done a few talks about XR, Just Stop Oil, or Insulate Brittain vs groups like Tyre Extinguishers, Ende Gelända, or Les Soulèvements de la Terre: his conclusion is that the former groups have done some amount of good with consciousness raising but at this point those who are going to be moved or sympathetic have been ‘activated’ and further nuisance activities alone will not advance the cause further and could instead harden people against the movement because it is action that is seemingly targeting ‘regular people’ and not the ones responsible for the situation we are in. He commends the groups for targeting banks and other institutions but doesn’t believe actions like blocking roads for the sake of doing so (obstruction of access to specific targets is another story) or throwing powder on a game advance the cause.
He goes on to say that arrests should never been seen as some kind of virtuous thing and instead should be seen as failures because it is taking people out of the movement and making their further contributions more difficult and potentially dangerous for their continued freedom.
I generally defend blocking roads as an act of protest, but I also understand the idea that there needs to be further escalation targeting the actual polluters because you will never turn all of the western public to your side.
Here are a couple of the talks I’m referring to, interesting to listen to the perspectives:
There’s certainly a reason hardcore activists in the environmentalist and animal rights movements were targeted so heavily. I’m partial to the belief that it’s something way too many people might empathize with or even worse, copy. It’s also a pipeline into real leftism and anti-capitalism that can’t be countered with muh 100 gorgiollion dead from cummunism
He has the bag and then suffers consequences for apparently no gain besides saying what hogs want to hear whereas Bush also cut taxes, literally stole 2 elections, and lied the US into trillion dollar wars with no consequence and is seen as a painter now who makes Masterclasses
Oh yeah I still think it’s a coin flip if he’s president in a year and change, don’t get me wrong, I just think Bush was able to accomplish all Trump did and much more with even less consequence
Ok, but how did they recover the mf hijacker passports from 9/11
They recovered four, three of them AT the crash sites! How. The black boxes didn’t even survive. cat-confused
checkmate, big geology!! (mander.xyz)
Our friend is going to jail. (youtu.be)
Kristi Noem killed her pet dog, "Cricket," after the animal misbehaved on a hunting trip, she says (www.salon.com)
China abducted its own citizens on EU territory, report finds (www.euronews.com)
For at least ten years, the Chinese Communist Party has been abducting its overseas citizens on EU territory and forcibly returning them to China - violating the rule of law and public security in Europe - a new report finds....
I'm at a point where liberals are more annoying than conservatives.
Performatively pretending to support movements against oppression is just no longer, in any way, less frustrating than the conservative tendency to just outright support oppression, and that’s all liberals do....
BREAKING: LIVE as Ceasefire Protesters Try to Block Biden from Getting to State of the Union in D.C. (www.youtube.com)
sicko-crowd biden-fall
ICJ Preliminary Results in Favor of South Africa
— 🇳🇱/🇿🇦/🇮🇱 International Criminal Court in The Hague:...
Israel losing war in Gaza, commanders admit (electronicintifada.net)
wapo running a zionist hit piece (youtu.be)
lmao her cowardice is amazing. critical support to the greyxone and EI
LMAO this dude in Iowa came up to Ron DeSantis and gave him a participation trophy (streamable.com)
Kevin Hart Says He Won’t Host the Oscars Again: Awards Shows ‘Aren’t Comedy-Friendly Environments Anymore’ (variety.com)
Police arrest 72 climate protesters in heart of Melbourne for failing to obey traffic direction (www.abc.net.au)
In short: Police have arrested and fined 72 climate activists [$385 each] for staging a protest in the middle of a Melbourne CBD intersection....
Cop28 president says there is ‘no science’ behind demands for phase-out of fossil fuels (www.theguardian.com)
Vote against Trump 2024 (midwest.social)