@maikelthedev
There is at least one with that name but I think it’s on a Lemmy instance.
As for why it shows up with a CW, that’s because Threads have a “subject” line separate from the body which is how Calckey and others do CW on posts. When they receive the content, they treat it as a post with a CW since that’s what they do.
Welcome and I hope things are not too overwhelming.
It’s not quite the FAQ I think you’re looking for, but this little one might help with a few things. I’m working on more and hopefully will have a third one soon.
The fact that the different platforms call things differently for similar content is confusing for sure. Mastodon sends all its content as a single “type” under the hood known as a “note.” Mastodon doesn’t call them “notes” though. It calls them “posts” or until a little bit ago “toots.”
Those “notes” show up on other platforms where different terms are sometimes used. Misskey doesn’t call them “posts” but “notes” for example. Kbin called them “posts” and they show up in the microblog section of a magazine.
To answer your question about this thread:
This Thread was created as an "Article" or "Thread" in newer code commits. (That’s confusing for sure) and it isn’t sent under the hood as a “Note.” It’s sent as something called a “Page” which different platforms will treat differently. Some platforms use and understand “Pages” in a consistent way while others don’t.
As for the question is this both a Thread and a Post touches on which platforms’ interpretation of those terms.
Part of the confusion comes from the fact that the underlying format of the data exchanged between instances and platforms (ActivityPub) is actually pretty vague about “meanings” of the different types. Every platform is more-or-less free to define what the different “types” mean (Notes, Pages, and a bunch of others) within the vague guidelines.
So when one platform starts to gain a large number of users, the interpretation of what a “Note” for example, will tend towards that larger platform’s meanings if other platforms want to have a more “consistent” experience.
The story of why the meanings are vague is an interesting one and I’m not knowledgeable enough to explain details but from what I understand, it’s a result of a lot of people trying to come up with a universal standard for interacting between platforms that are going to approach things very differently all without a central decision-maker driving it.
If instead of Mastodon being the largest platform on the Fediverse it has been a Reddit-like-alternative like Lemmy or Kbin, the interpretation for the various types of data would likely be different today.
To partially summarize
Colloquial term vs ActivityPub object
Mastodon:
Post = Note
Kbin:
Thread = Page (at least for articles. I still have to check the others)
Post (microblog) = Note
Have you tried other types of threads other than Links? I'm not on Mastodon, but Calckey.
I've had no issues with Articles showing up on my Calckey timeline.
Also, is there any meaningful difference between link/article/photo/video threads besides content formatting? I see no way to differentiate them once they are posted, it's just a thread™. You say it's a different activityPub type underneath but it doesn't seem like it matters that much to kbin and lemmy from an user's perspective, the only distinction that matters is thread (for kbin magazines) vs post (mastodon-type "toots/tweets")
Probably not much at this time.
I haven't specifically compared all the different thread types, but given the fact that Articles seem to show up fine for me on Calckey (and I believe for Mastodon as well), points to design choices to try to match behavior somewhere else. If I get a chance, I'll try to see how the different thread types differ under the hood. I already have information about Articles so I'll have to check Links.
Is your kbin account being followed by anyone on Mastodon? If you have a mastodon account, try following your kbin account from that one and try again.
Correct. The post was associated with the magazine/community. It was created on kbin inside a magazine so it was associated with the magazine in the same way a Mastodon user could insert the community address in the Mastodon post and have their post show up in the Lemmy instance in the Community area.
What Kbin is doing differently is that it's accepting posts from the wider fediverse which was created on platforms "unaware" of communities or magazines. Lemmy ignores those unless they contain specific community addresses, but kbin doesn't and instead routes those based on hashtags or to the "random" magazine. You can see in the "random" magazine tons of microblog posts which don't seem to be related to anything or stand-alone posts.
Thanks for the write-up. I've been using Mastodon quite a bit the last few months, and I'm curious about how kbin interoperates with that with from a user perspective.
What happens if you you follow a kbin user from Mastodon? Do you see just their "posts" or also their replies to threads? Do you see when they post an article? Can a kbin user follow a Mastodon user?
Yes to all of these to the best of my testing!
How do hashtags interact between the two systems?
Hashtags are a good question for sure. It depends on a few factors as best I can tell.
If the content was created outside kbin and federated in from a non-kbin instance (Calckey, Mastodon, etc) the microblog post will be routed to a magazine. Magazines can be configured to “listen” for certain hashtags by the owner. If an incoming post has the hashtag, that post will be added to that magazine’s microblog section. If a magazine doesn’t match the hashtag, the post will be added to the magazine called “random” that each kbin instance has as a “catch-all” for incoming content that doesn’t fit elsewhere. A l
Note: There is still much I don’t know about the exact logic used to route these posts to magazines. “How does it decide where to add the post to when there are multiple hashtags which each match separate magazines?” for example.
If the content is created on kbin and sent to followers from kbin, it behaves more or less like any other post with hashtags.
What happens if you follow a kbin magazine from Mastodon? I noticed that they appear with a "Group" tag on Mastodon if searching for that "user".
Actually from what I can tell, not much. Unlike gup.pe, magazine accounts don’t boost all the content that gets created in the Magazine. The magazine accounts always shows as zero posts and replies for me.
(Edit: I could navigate to this post from Mastodon and reply to it, but it didn't show up here yet. But maybe that's due to the temporarily broken federation.)
I believe so. My instance doesn’t seem to have issues with federation very much right down as an example
Since I can't see people's comments directly on my instance, I'm going to try to quote the comment here and try to answer it.
Could you maybe include information on how to access Lemmy communities from Kbin? For example, how would go about finding
this Reddit OP's Lemmy community from Kbin.social? It doesn't appear when I search magazines.
I don't know enough about Lemmy to really know. What I can say is that I don't have issues searching for and seeing communities on the lemmy instance beehaw.org. I just tested with a new community from beehaw.org and it showed up for me as expected.
What I can speculate on is the following:
Lemmy has the ability to "allow-list" instances and restrict which instances are allowed to federate with it. If the lemmy instance in question has this enabled, I can guess that it wouldn't allow federation from kbin.social. This is speculation however.
Kbin doesn't support authorized fetch yet. I don't think that's at play here since I can use curl to see the community, but I can't really tell.
That community in question doesn't show up on that instance's list of communities. I suspect it is because that community is marked NSFW and hidden unless you are logged into that instance and have an account.
It might be a combination of these as well as the fact that the community is listed as NSFW.
@trashHeap
For kbin.social, I see what links they have at the bottom of the main page. (Note: I'm not on kbin.social, but an instance I installed to experiment and learn) https://kbin.social/terms