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escarpment

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Anonymous person. I'm here to read and learn. I like to help people. If someone has a question, consents to receiving advice, and I know the answer, I gladly provide that answer.

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    escarpment,
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    @lzg how useful are those markings at night?

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    @lzg Presumably if you misidentified a convoy as threatening in the dark of night using night vision, you would hit each of the vehicles one by one.

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    @lzg The IDF is large. Clearly this was a miscommunication between different parts of the IDF.

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    @lzg People may prefer to believe that the IDF has some sort of blood lust for aid workers but it's simply not true.

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    @lzg An enemy (Hamas) that cares less about civilians than the IDF does (hijacks and diverts aid away from women and children to soldiers; hides among civilian populations; disguises as civilians and disguises as aid workers). And for such a destitute and pitiable enemy, Hamas seems to continue to put up a significant amount of resistance, continuing not to agree to a ceasefire and continuing to shoot at Israel.

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    @lzg Yes, they started it. I'm not talking to mom. It is salient who started it. Prior to Oct 7, Israel was not bombing Gaza while Hamas was firing rockets at Israel. Hamas started this. All the loss of life is their responsibility and they can stop it any time they choose.

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    @lzg There is no terrible or great, monsters or angels. There are only actions and reactions and consequences.

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    @lzg Hamas are not terrible, Israel are not monsters. Hamas simply attacked Israel and neglected their population, despite knowing Israel would retaliate. Israel retaliated as promised. Those are the actions and reactions.

    timbray, to Israel
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    Old folks like me remember the Eighties when the civilized parts of the world decided that the South African and Rhodesian apartheid states were no longer acceptable and systematically excluded them from sports and culture and commerce and, basically, civilization.

    To me it seems plausible that is heading down a very similar path.

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    @timbray Israel is different from apartheid South Africa. Israel has no legal system of apartheid. Israel aspires to insure equal rights irrespective of race, religion, or gender. There are numerous Arab Muslim Israelis who can attest to this equal treatment. In contrast, the National Party of South Africa in 1948 essentially said, "Here is a system of racial segregation. We call it apartheid." Apartheid was a stated policy of South Africa, whereas it is merely a characterization of Israel.

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    @timbray Furthermore, Israel is not "heading down" any sort of path of isolation. It has been scorned and isolated since its inception by antisemitic governments who persecute Jewish people in their citizenry and therefore do not tolerate a Jewish state. This condemnation has taken on many forms throughout history, from Zionism is racism (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_3379) up to today's accusation of apartheid.

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    @timbray The term "civilized country" is subjective and fraught. The countries that historically have condemned Israel are the likes of Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Yemen, Libya, Egypt, Algeria, Sudan, Ethiopia, and others. These countries have historically been under the USSR and now Russia's sphere of influence. Many would probably take offense at calling these countries uncivilized. This bloc is constantly devising new propaganda to discredit Israel.

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    @timbray The world never "had patience" for Israel. Before Israel's founding, Jewish immigrants to Palestine faced xenophobic and antisemitic violence from the local population. When Israel declared independence (with the UN's blessing), this violence escalated to a full blown military conflict. The message to Jewish people has always been "go home, outsider."

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    @timbray I would view the history of South Africa in less moralistic terms, or less in terms of historical "progress". South Africa is now an increasingly corrupt state that grows increasingly closer Russia. They bring a genocide case against Israel to the ICJ but stay mum about Darfur and refused to arrest Omar Al-Bashir over Darfur.

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    @timbray I will grant you that the "wealthy democracies" are "losing patience" with Israel because the propaganda of the regressive extreme right (Hamas, Iran) has somehow wormed its way to becoming a celebrated cause of the western progressive left.

    fraying, to random
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    Reminder: American Jews are 2.4% of all Americans and most of us are Democrats who disapprove of Israel's current far right government. Trump is playing on the ancient antisemitic dual-loyalty myth and creating an excuse for conservatives to ignore actual Jewish voices. The moment you say something like "Jews are the real antisemites," you're just a nazi saying nazi shit.

    Gift link: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/18/us/politics/trump-israel-jewish-voters.html?unlocked_article_code=1.dk0.84wb.AIbp-r9cayXx&smid=url-share

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    @fraying I'm an American Jew, Democrat, Biden supporter. Despise Trump. Uneasy about Israel's government but think Israel is justified in Gaza and think the "free Palestine" / "stop genocide" protestors are deeply ignorant and misguided.

    escarpment, to random
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    Israel

    Yet again, Israel has a really strange approach to "genocide": allowing 80,000 Muslims to pray peacefully at Al-Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem.

    https://apnews.com/article/jerusalem-ramadan-israel-gaza-palestinians-aqsa-e02629b2e1d199e233c91aa731b517d9

    I don't recall, in the height of the Holocaust, 80,000 Jewish people gathering at a German synagogue to pray in peace.

    oatmeal, to Israel
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    / UNRWA donors likely to resume funding soon, Norway says

    […] "I think that a large number of those countries who suspended are (having) second thoughts," Barth Eide told Reuters in an interview, citing the recognition from these nations that "they cannot punish the whole Palestinian society".

    […] "But then, of course, they need an honourable way out, which means they are hoping, I think - without speaking for individual countries - that they will get something from these investigations that suggest that they can say: "well, we needed to suspend, but now we're back'."

    https://www.reuters.com/world/unrwa-donors-likely-resume-funding-soon-norway-says-2024-03-06/

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    escarpment,
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    @ecpoir @oatmeal @palestine @israel So do you care about Haiti or not? Is the suffering in Haiti worth your time or not? Pretty callous to dismiss the suffering in Haiti as merely whataboutism.

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    @ecpoir @oatmeal @palestine @israel Do you care about the war crimes of the gangs of Haiti? The threats of genocide from gang leaders in Haiti?

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    @oatmeal @palestine @israel UNRWA is a Palestinian political action group masquerading as a neutral international organization. Their corruption has been well documented for years. The US is the UNRWA's largest benefactor year in and year out, and where does all the money go? They never resettle any refugees and Palestinians are just as impoverished. One can only assume the money is diverted to wealthy European bureaucrats and Hamas's military budget.

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    @ViXY_DBC @oatmeal @palestine @israel Who do you mean by you all? Jewish people, I assume?

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    @ViXY_DBC @oatmeal @palestine @israel Just go out and say it: Jewish people, in your view, are liars and are not to be trusted.

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    @ViXY_DBC @oatmeal @palestine @israel For the statement of the US being the largest benefactor of the UNRWA, just look it up.

    https://www.unrwa.org/how-you-can-help/government-partners/funding-trends/donor-charts
    https://www.unrwa.org/sites/default/files/overall_donor_ranking_2021.pdf

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    @oatmeal Two separate points:

    1. Israel is in fact largely populated by Jewish people (over 7 million). So when you call Israelis liars, you are calling many Jewish people liars.

    2. Yes, Haiti is in the midst of a violent humanitarian crisis that is the direct result of colonialism and few in the west even pretend to care in the same way they pretend to care about Gaza.

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    @oatmeal Precisely. If you cared about one, you'd care about the other. So why aren't your posts split more equitably between French colonialism in Haiti and Israeli "colonialism" in Gaza?

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    @oatmeal Ok, history of the Middle East. Then I expect to see your timeline equitably split with Israeli matters and the ongoing humanitarian crisis in Syria? https://www.wfp.org/news/hunger-soars-12-year-high-syria-wfp-chief-calls-urgent-action

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