They give 2 statistics, accidents and incidents. Accidents are crashes, incidents are crashes plus tickets.
Tesla has most accidents per driver. Ram has the most incidents - the report you mention. Tesla has the second most incidents.
So, Teslas still top the number is accidents. Agree, we would need a study to figure out if Tesla driving assist suite is either incompetent at driver safety or malignant to driver safety. Perhaps this lawsuit will shed some light on it.
It’s not that Teslas are killing their owners. Teslas are killing first responders to road accidents, kids getting off buses and motorcyclists. We’re all exposed to the problems caused by Musk cutting out testing to save some money.
Okay, so Tesla had the highest rate, but switching power train types seems problematic. It didn’t really say if other EVs are close to Tesla’s accident rates, or am I missing something?
That’s the malignant part I mentioned. They trust it too much and end up running into a first responder, motorcycle or kid getting off a school bus. The aviation industry and many other industries have extensive knowledge how to avoid this very problem. Most other car companies implement systems to avoid it. Tesla just doesn’t really care that much.
My thoughts were also about phantom breaking, but I don’t know if it is still an issue.
You think giving me Tesla marketing BS, published by a proxy Tesla marketing rag, is going to convince me? If it is anything else like Tesla’s marketing department, they just pulled something out of their ass, Musk saw the numbers and told them to fudge it some more, and then they put it up on their website dressed in fancy graphs and tech-speak. That’s why you’ll never find any actual data that third-party researchers can verify it with.
Tesla’s create horrible driving habits in their customers. On the one hand, you have the CEO that creates a culture to disregard for safety and rules, praising users that openly go against the terms of use, as long as they show it doing something cool. On the other hand, you have a system that is just good enough to lull you into a sense of safety and confidence in the system itself. Then one day it decides to kill a motorcyclist, a kid getting off the bus, or a paramedic working on the side of the road. The driver that maybe praised Tesla to their friends and colleagues about how amazing it was is now dumbstruck because the car acted so unexpectedly.
Tesla is just as much as fault as the driver for that situation.
I hope you don’t buy from the company that had swastikas in the bathrooms and a place called the plantation where the black employees were forced to work.
Tesla marketing is their chief marketer retweeting videos of people having sex on autopilot and making jokes about it, or the doctored video on their website where the driver spends the whole drive without touching the steering wheel, or Tesla’s CEO driving around in a news interview with his hands of the wheel for much of the ride, or promoting influencer videos that don’t follow that guidance.
In any case, I think we can dispel the myth that Tesla is one of the safest cars. They have the worst accident rates among all brands and their driving assist features either can’t keep idiots from making bad decisions or, worse, even amplify the dangerous effects that idiots create while driving.
So why do you think Tesla’s crash at a higher rate? I think it’s a combination of instant acceleration, poor sensor-suite (like the lack of radar), and Tesla giving idiots free-reign to abuse the system as they please.
Yeah, a responsible CEO would take measures to remove the video, makes statements about the dangers of abusing the system, etc. instead, Tesla CEO, which is also the main marketing account, makes jokes about it.
Tesla is full of “the driver is always responsible” small print, and then promoting the reckless use of the system through influencer videos and winks from the CEO saying that the legal stuff it’s just due to those peaky regulators. If it wasn’t for them, you wouldn’t really need to keep your hands on the wheel or pay attention. The car just drives itself.
Do you think current and prospective Tesla owners could escape the online marketing system that pumps this info into their online life? One of the reasons I started countering all the Musk bullshit was because I couldn’t escape their online marketing presence. It is everywhere. I might as well have fun fighting it. I’m sure that if you’ve clicked any Tesla marketing links, you’re inundated with their BS.
Yes, when cruise control came out over 100 years ago, there were very little controls. Responsible car makers have changes that. Some even recently aimed for zero fatalities for people using their cars and the associated technologies.
And there are many cars that keep you from driving into a wall. Maybe, at this point, you can’t keep 100 percent of the idiots from doing something stupid, but responsible car makers do much, much better than Tesla, who actually promotes and markets the actions of idiots abusing the systems in their cars.
Nothing can stop people from being idiots. Most of the accidents are people being idiots.
This is the stupidity I hate most about Tesla shills.
Great engineers make genius innovations all the time to keep idiots from harming themselves or others. Those innovations saturate our society and industries at all levels. Good engineering should be trying to do it more.
Tesla just doesn’t care, or is even complicit in giving the idiots just enough freedom so people can think Tesla is ahead of the competition. The only difference from Tesla is that other car manufacturers don’t give idiots that freedom.
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