I was actually somewhat ok with going back to certain Reddit communities (although NOT just mindless scrolling) after the blackout. There's a lot of communities where (I thought) there's literally no alternatives....
This was this missing link in all of this. I have no idea, especially after the AMA when it became 100% clear Reddit would never change course with the API, that subreddit mods didn't redirect people to discord/Lemmy/etc.
I have no idea why tech companies do this. Especially tech companies that aren't even profitable yet. You're not in the nft business and you will never be in the nft business. Improve your actual product, get profitable, then go with the dumb stuff like that.
I found this in an old folder on my previous computer. Unfortunately, I don't have a source to give credit (not my art), but it's cute and i wanted to share
"It's a real shame that Reddit seems to care this little about the community that rather than making an effort to talk to developers and moderators and apologize for how this was handled, they'd rather just wall themselves off and and dare users to keep going."
"no revenue impact so far" how is it possible to be this short sighted? Of course people using the official app and website without adblock won't have gone anywhere. It wasn't every subreddit, they're probably just wondering why so many aren't working. But if this continues, and tbh the damage is already done for a lot of people, users and moderators who generate the content and make the site usable for the zombies will leave and it will just become twitter 2.0, an increasingly bad shitshow, some subreddits will be left with no quality submissions at all.
Also: "still in conversation" with other third party apps? The entire point was to make the price so high they'd have to shut down. Plausible deniability I guess, and those other third party apps with way less users will probably just be able to sell subscriptions (can't even use ads, though)
Not gonna lie I think I'm actually spending more time on Lemmy than Reddit, participating and trying to get discussions going, making content, etc. Just to try and get it active lol
Yeah, honestly whether or not they back down or some solution is reached regarding the current situation, they will not stop aggressively monetizing users. A lot of veteran users will leave, some will stay or come back eventually, but I think pretty much every veteran user will be gone permanently if they get rid of old Reddit.
I agree that a small level of centralization is needed. Communities need to be grouped by topic, i've heard the term "union" of communities (word which conjures up some good feelings haha). Of which all communities in the union have their posts and all from the others in the union on their community's page. Idk if you'd call that centralization but you'd have to have some kind of leading or guidance.
A lot of people are saying there could have been manipulation and the true downvote count could have been higher. For sure they are suppressing and banning people/subreddits that mention lemmy or any reddit alternatives, and spez has a history of editing people's comments etc.
The main 2 changes they want to make before the IPO are killing old reddit (no/less data siphoning, css, no stupid nfts/animations/other dumb attempts at monetization) and removing anything nsfw (not just porn, anything considered nsfw like gore, violence, etc. This means state/police violence gets removed, anything to do with war gets removed.)
idk how much impact banning third party apps will have, but if/when they get rid of old reddit, that will be much worse for them. right now at least there's that as the last bastion of classic reddit pre-enshittification. Many subreddits will just outright stop working as they rely on classic css for critical features (as well as bots, the api will eventually be rendered unusable for them as well probably). Also, moderation is hard/impossible on new reddit or the official app. At that point, discussions about moving the subreddit to a custom css lemmy instance start happening.
then goes porn subreddits. Tbh, those users and that content is actually a net negative on the business in general i'm guessing (no ads served, google/apple/mastercard/visa breathing down their necks). That's still a hell of a lot of users lost permanently, which is X less on the active user count to show to investors.
I'm just wondering, by the time they get to their IPO, all of these changes will have turned away basically all veteran reddit users and moderators. I don't think they're going to put up with rebellious moderators, they'll just replace them (there's already going to be a list of "reddit approved moderators" that can use mod bots, this is the start of that). Will there even be anything left by IPO time? Will there even be an IPO, if the users go down by 40% like tumblr? I mean, they could easily just pivot to a mainstream facebook/instagram/tiktok alternative, but will it work? Those apps already exist. Why would anyone ever go from them to reddit? They'd have to be filling a market gap, like tiktok did after vine got shut down. I just don't see it happening.
I know this is blasphemy and I've always understood how shit the app is, but I don't even use third party apps (I tried them before, never felt fully comfortable with any of them idk) and use the official app. So this wouldn't even totally affect me but I can see how bad this change is and why many people use third party apps because of said app's shitness and didn't even consider blind/low vision accessibility before now but obviously that's a major issue, before the accessibility exception they literally wouldn't be able to use the site on their phone at all, the mobile website is actually unusable its spammed with 2-3 notifications per page telling you to get the app, and they killed compact reddit which could be used with a screenreader. Also I can see despite spez saying he's keeping old reddit and nsfw, he's a proven liar and manipulator.
I'm not trying to convince anyone to go back i promise, quite the contrary actually cause I think spez plans to just decrease the cost of the API and act like it was a bargain deal sacrifice while not solving any of the issues at all...
Yep. Instead of developing things the site actually needs, like accessibility features for low vision/blind users, better mod tools for mobile, a better mobile app in general that isn't horrible and a million other things, they spent all their money and time developing stuff like NFTs (of course), a video player that is barely even usable just to try and look like TikTok, shiny awards and animations to shill out, etc etc.
Even though officials say they would only use the new update to the so-called “Keeper of the Seals” justice bill to capture sound and images of suspects of certain crimes such as delinquency, organized crime, and terrorism, the critics say this would still be disproportionate.
delinquency? that's so delightfully vague and can mean anything (obviously that's the intention)
My experience with the Fediverse has only been through Mastodon, through which I struggled to find a community I really gelled with. Either it was supper overwhelming with meme posts or NSFW, or it was too chill to the point of nothing. Or, it was hyperfocused like FOSS/Linux and became uninteresting after awhile. May try again,...
I love how cool this is. Imagine being able to read and comment on a Reddit thread from twitter and Facebook and have it all work seamlessly and visible to all parties. That's literally what this is and that feels amazing to me
When you put it that way, it's pretty unbelievable they've done this. They had many developers willing to make more (and better) ways to interact with the site (wtf happened to "engagement", isn't that the literal buzzword these days?)
They could have literally just either had a fair pricing system, ads in the API, and removal of ads for Reddit premium users (or even all 3). Even if their main concern was AI scraping, just make it so it's limited and you can't literally just download the whole of Reddit. It'd be very easy to distinguish AI traffic from user traffic.
Every time spez speaks, I want to interact less and less with reddit
I was actually somewhat ok with going back to certain Reddit communities (although NOT just mindless scrolling) after the blackout. There's a lot of communities where (I thought) there's literally no alternatives....
should we call for migration?
should we call for migration across reddit subs to come to lemmy? the same way we once did for digg users to go to reddit?
Every time you hear the Reddit CEO talking about how they need to become profitable, remember they raised $250m and then spent the last couple years building this (nft.reddit.com)
Pride Themed Bulbasaurs (beehaw.org)
I found this in an old folder on my previous computer. Unfortunately, I don't have a source to give credit (not my art), but it's cute and i wanted to share
firefox rule (lemmy.world)
stolen from celtiberian-idiot on tumblr
Christian Selig on the spez internal memo dismissing reddit's blackout (mastodon.social)
"It's a real shame that Reddit seems to care this little about the community that rather than making an effort to talk to developers and moderators and apologize for how this was handled, they'd rather just wall themselves off and and dare users to keep going."
So, how do we think this ends?
It can go one of a few ways....
How is Lemmy supposed to replace Reddit?
I just don't get how Lemmy is going to act as a proper replacement for Reddit....
Spez after the AMA be like (beehaw.org)
it is genuinely hard to believe how it could have gone worse
Does it matter where an instance is located in terms of lag?
Sorry if I say something wrong, I'm not that experienced in this area....
/r/traa's is shutting down (www.reddit.com)
Pour one out for traa
Researchers discover that ChatGPT prefers repeating 25 jokes over and over (arstechnica.com)
It’s not just Apollo: other Reddit apps are shutting down, too (from The Verge) (www.theverge.com)
Rule (sh.itjust.works)
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what would Reddit need to do to get you to go back
I'm not trying to convince anyone to go back i promise, quite the contrary actually cause I think spez plans to just decrease the cost of the API and act like it was a bargain deal sacrifice while not solving any of the issues at all...
French Senate gives green light to surveillance through cameras and microphones (cybernews.com)
This doesn’t sound great…
I like this significantly better than Mastodon
My experience with the Fediverse has only been through Mastodon, through which I struggled to find a community I really gelled with. Either it was supper overwhelming with meme posts or NSFW, or it was too chill to the point of nothing. Or, it was hyperfocused like FOSS/Linux and became uninteresting after awhile. May try again,...
Reddit Is Fun (RIF) will shut down on June 30, 2023, in response to Reddit's API changes (www.reddit.com)