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mycorrhiza,

Why do you expect the Israeli government to prioritise the lives of Palestinian over their own citizens when trying to smack out a terrorist threat?

Because they were instrumental in creating that terrorist threat in the first place, not only by perpetrating ethnic cleansing but by directly funding Hamas in the 70s and 80s as a counterbalance against the secular PLO.

mycorrhiza, (edited )

If your only justification here is

The first thing I mentioned was ethnic cleansing, which tends to radicalize people after a few decades of it.

But also, Israel has Palestine inside a literal fucking fence. They control the fucking water supply. Yes, they are responsible for Palestine

mycorrhiza,

driving them out of their homes and into shrinking, increasingly crowded prison cities with horrendous living conditions is ethnic cleansing. But they also have killed many thousands of Palestinians, not counting the 11,000 since Oct 7.

mycorrhiza,

in my experience you never post anything leftist on lemmy and your political comments are all about tankies or US electoral politics

mycorrhiza,

They invaded at the same time. That’s what “alongside” means here.

The alternative was for the nazis to roll all the way across poland — the only barrier between nazi germany and the soviet union — and subject the entire country to the holocaust instead of half of it, at a moment when the polish government had already fled and the country was not capable of repelling the nazis.

mycorrhiza, (edited )

freedom under Makhno has been overstated.

isreview.org/issues/53/makhno/

:::spoiler click here to expand, it’s a long excerpt

When occupying cities or towns, Makhno’s troops would post notices on walls that read:

This Army does not serve any political party, any power, any dictatorship. On the contrary, it seeks to free the region of all political power, of all dictatorship. It strives to protect the freedom of action, the free life of the workers against all exploitation and domination. The Makhno Army does not therefore represent any authority. It will not subject anyone to any obligation whatsoever. Its role is confined to defending the freedom of the workers. The freedom of the peasants and the workers belongs to themselves, and should not suffer any restriction.61

But left in control of territory that they wanted to secure, the Makhnovists ended up forming what most would call a state. The Makhnovists set monetary policy.^62^ They regulated the press.^63^ They redistributed land according to specific laws they passed. They organized regional legislative conferences.^64^ They controlled armed detachments to enforce their policies.^65^ To combat epidemics, they promulgated mandatory standards of cleanliness for the public health.^66^ Except for the Makhnovists, parties were banned from organizing for election to regional bodies. They banned authority with which they disagreed to “prevent those hostile to our political ideas from establishing themselves.”^67^ They delegated broad authority to a “Regional Military-Revolutionary Council of Peasants, Workers and Insurgents.” The Makhnovists used their military authority to suppress rival political ideas and organizations.^68^ The anarchist historian Paul Avrich notes, “the Military-Revolutionary Council, acting in conjunction with the Regional Congresses and the local soviets, in effect formed a loose-knit government in the territory surrounding Guliai-Pole.”^69^

[…] skipping a paragraph and a quote for brevity

Anarchist attacks on the Bolsheviks’ civil war policies often focus on the severe military discipline, conscription, grain requisitioning, and creation of a secret police. Yet, under the same conditions of civil war, Makhno’s army adopted all these measures, albeit with different names.

military discipline and conscription:

In his army, Makhno claimed that units had the right to elect their commanders. However, he retained veto power over any decisions.^71^ He increasingly relied on a close group of friends for his senior command.^72^ As Darch notes, “Although some of Makhno’s aides attempted to introduce more conventional structures into the army, [Makhno]’s control remained absolute, arbitrary and impulsive.”^73^ One regiment found it necessary to pass a resolution that “all orders must be obeyed provided that the commanding officer was sober at the time of giving it.”^74^ As the war went on, his forces moved from voting on their orders to carrying out executions ordered by Makhno to enforce discipline.^75^

The pressures of war forced Makhno to move to compulsory military service, a far cry from the free association of individuals extolled in anarchist theory. Tellingly, all the anarchist histories call it a “voluntary” mobilization (complete with quotation marks).^76^ Historian David Footman describes the linguistic back-flips:

Accordingly, at Makhno’s insistence, the second Congress passed a resolution in favor of “general, voluntary and egalitarian mobilization.” The orthodox Anarchist line, expressed at an Anarchist gathering of this period, was that “no compulsory army…can be regarded as a true defender of the social revolution,” and debate ranged round the issue as to whether enlistment could be described as “voluntary” (whatever the feelings of individuals) if it took place as the result of a resolution voluntarily passed by representatives of the community as a whole.^77^

Just in case people did not understand the meaning of “voluntary,” the Makhnovists issued a clarifying bulletin:

Some groups have understood voluntary mobilization as mobilization only for those who wish to enter the Insurrectionary Army, and that anyone who for any reason wishes to stay at home is not liable…. This is not correct…. The voluntary mobilization has been called because the peasants, workers and insurgents themselves decided to mobilize themselves without awaiting the arrival of instructions from the central authorities.^78^

The Makhnovists needed conscription for the same reason the Bolsheviks did: the bulk of the peasantry was sick of fighting. The difference between the two is that the Bolsheviks had a political outlook that saw conscription as part of a transitional period with the future depending on world revolution, when the productive power of humanity first unleashed by capitalism could be brought to bear on all spheres of life, in the interest of the vast majority. The peasants of Russia and the Ukraine were still using wooden ploughs and harvesting by hand. They stood to gain immensely from an increase in both productivity and leisure time. In contrast, Makhno had no similar perspective and had no generalized plan or vision for the future.

food requisitioning:

An army needs to eat. As they moved through the Ukraine, locals would point out the kulaks who would “agree” to provide food.^79^ Despite orders to the contrary, Makhnovists would loot town after town, adding to the workers’ misery. One witness recalled:

Food supply was primitive, on the traditional insurgent pattern: the bratishki—the Makhnovists’ name for each other—would scatter to the peasant huts on entering a village, and eat what God sent; there was thus no shortage, although plundering and thoughtless damage to peasant stock did occur; I saw them shoot peasant cattle for fun more than once, amid the howls of women and children.^80^

From their earliest days, they took the equipment they needed from those who had it.^81^ As they passed through towns and villages, they required the populace to quarter them.^82^

secret police:

While condemning the Soviet Cheka as an authoritarian betrayal, Makhno created two secret police forces that carried out numerous acts of terror.^83^ After a battle in one village, they shot a villager suspected of treachery with no trial. They summarily executed many of their prisoners of war.^84^ Their secret police were tasked with getting rid of “opponents within or outwith [sic] the movement.”^85^ Their activities led to one anarchist Congress asking Makhno to explain his activities:

It has been reported to us that there exists in the army a counter-espionage service which engages in arbitrary and uncontrolled actions, of which some are very serious, rather like the Bolshevik Cheka. Searches, arrests, even torture and executions are reported.^86^

This is an excerpt from a longer article. I added the three headings for readability :::


turns out that, regardless of ideology, the material situation of a revolution drives how groups act

mycorrhiza,

or posting anything anti-capitalist, as far as I’ve seen

mycorrhiza,

that stormfront emote is referring to reddit

mycorrhiza,

move their border closer

…further away from their capital and all their cities and infrastructure?

mycorrhiza,

we need only look at democratic socialist countries like Denmark

Sure helps when Europe benefits from literally trillions of dollars a year in net extraction from the global south

www.sciencedirect.com/…/S095937802200005X

mycorrhiza, (edited )

Here is Makhno in 1920 after agreeing to a temporary ceasefire:

“Military hostilities between the Makhnovist revolutionary insurgents and the Red Army have ceased. Misunderstandings, vagueness and inaccuracies have grown up around this truce: it is said that Makhno has repented of his anti-Bolshevik acts, that he has recognized the soviet authorities, etc. How are we to understand, what construction are we to place upon this peace agreement?

What is very clear already is that no intercourse of ideas, and no collaboration with the soviet authorities and no formal recognition of these has been or can be possible. We have always been irreconcilable enemies, at the level of ideas, of the party of the Bolshevik-communists.

We have never acknowledged any authorities and in the present instance we cannot acknowledge the soviet authorities. So again we remind and yet again we emphasize that, whether deliberately or through misapprehension, there must be no confusion of military intercourse in the wake of the danger threatening the revolution with any crossing-over, ‘fusion’ or recognition of the soviet authorities, which cannot have been and cannot ever be the case.”

— quoted in Nestor Makhno: Anarchy’s Cossack, a pro-Makhno book

mycorrhiza,

hexbear had an entire thread with hundreds of comments where they all agreed they hated trump and viewed him as an odious fascist

lemmy.ml/post/4040923?scrollToComments=true

The closest thing you find to support for trump in there is some of them thinking he is a less effective imperialist.

mycorrhiza,

The larger response is in this thread where the meme was crossposted, almost 400 comments

lemmy.ml/post/7900431?scrollToComments=true

mycorrhiza,

it appears to have been mutually understood

After the Seige of Perekop, Makhno’s aide-de-camp Grigori Vassilevsky, announced the agreement was over:

That’s the end for the agreement! Take my word for it, within one week the Bolsheviks are going to come down on us like a ton of bricks!

— Grigori Vassilevsky, quoted in the same book

mycorrhiza,

transphobia and an adult abusing his position of power to hurt a kid, two berserk buttons in one headline

mycorrhiza, (edited )

Everyone on hexbear and lemmygrad is already a communist, so they don’t spend a lot of time trying to convince each other that communism is good and capitalism is bad, although they do post specific examples. It’s mostly current events, venting, and shitposting. A lot of the serious discussion is either in the weekly news megathread or buried in the comments under some shitpost begging xi jinping to nuke the white house.

mycorrhiza,

Instead of the CEO and other upper management, try stock buybacks and dividends, which enrich the actual owners. GM spent $21 billion on stock buybacks in the past 12 years, and around $18 billion in stock dividends. That averages to over $3 billion a year, which is over twice the worker raise from the strike — and a lot of that raise is going toward correcting the 19.3% pay cut they took after 2008.

@halykthered

mycorrhiza,

well yeah, fuck the CEO and upper management. This was my response to /u/SCB telling you there’s no wealth to redistribute. I tagged you so you would also see it.

mycorrhiza,

fucking communist countries have killed how many millions of their own citizens

Most of these articles cite the Black Book of Communism, which goes to absurd lengths to inflate the death toll of Communism, for example counting all the millions of nazi and soviet soldiers killed on the eastern front as victims of communism, counting the entire death toll of the Vietnam war, and even counting declining birth rates as deaths due to communism.

Noam Chomsky used the same methodology to argue that, according to Black Book logic, capitalism in India alone, from 1947–1979, could be blamed for more deaths than communism worldwide from 1917–1979.

web.archive.org/web/20160921084037/…/chomsky.htm

mycorrhiza,

Europe also benefits from literally trillions of dollars a year in net wealth extracted from the global south.

www.sciencedirect.com/…/S095937802200005X

mycorrhiza, (edited )

Animal Farm

The plot reads like a sunday school scare piece to warn children about the dangers of satanism. It’s so vague and allegorical that you can’t really critique it. The message is basically “if you revolt against the capitalists, a scary bad man will take over and hurt you.” Also pretty disgusting that it portrays workers as farm animals and capitalists as humans. It’s a very “American schools during the Cold War would make kids read that” kind of book.

It’s not surprising that Orwell was a bigoted snitch who ratted leftists out to British intelligence, and was especially keen on turning in jews, black people, homosexuals, and anyone he deemed “anti-white.”

bennorton.com/george-orwell-list-leftists-snitch-…

I’ll also throw in Asimov’s review of 1984 while I’m ranting about this creep

www.newworker.org/ncptrory/1984.htm

framework for statecraft

I kinda give side-eye to anyone really fond of the word statecraft. It’s sort of an “I look up to a lot of neoliberal ghouls” shibboleth.

mycorrhiza,

Maybe if I read that it would temper my view of him, I mainly know him for writing an anti-Soviet book in the middle of a war with the nazis

mycorrhiza,

hey look I found the exact issue the UN peacekeepers address in these exact situations

Yeah? And how the fuck did that strategy work out anywhere else in the middle east?

people who want democracy

The coalition air mission was to support Islamic extremists in battles against the Libyan government. Those rebels wanted an Islamic state in Libya, not a democracy. They were also committing racist pogroms and atrocities against black Libyans, and western operatives on the ground were aware of it the entire time.

Read the fucking article. Here it is again:

salon.com/…/u-k-parliament-report-details-how-nat…

Read every word of it before you respond to me.

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