They are just pointing out that these phrases are used for that, which is why they are recognized as “thought-terminating cliches”, it doesn’t mean they are always used in such a way. You can be aware of manipulative language without being an anarchist or commie.
Well yes I think all of us should be the better person, obviously easier said than done! I’m not a fan of ridicule or bullying of course (except against actual nazis maybe) and I feel bad if you or anyone has been hurt by harassment. I am mostly just trying to say this sort of infighting is all just taken too seriously, and arguing about ‘tankies’, which can mean any number of things to different people, doesn’t seem helpful to anyone in my view.
For what it’s worth, like another comment said I do really appreciate the work you and others have done to make this instance possible! I don’t have any resentment for anyone in this situation and I hope hexers and us here can all come together better in the future, we have more alike than in difference.
I wasn’t saying you were immature, I said the whole situation was. The impetus for the whole thing, deleting of the post, also seemed to make no sense to me at all. But to elevate the situation after that was what I meant was immature really. And from there it just seemed like a schoolyard fight or something, all of it just being a waste of time distracting and taking energy away from everyone involved.
I don’t know all the details of the drama but I’m sorry you haven’t had better interactions with hexbear. Some users can be problematic like any place, but I have been inspired by the effort, genuine good faith debate and historical analysis that is common in hexbear discussions. I’m anarchist, I first came to the fediverse through this instance and haven’t had any issue with hexbear, and personally would defed from .world before hexbear lol.
Can you clarify how hexbear facilities harassment? I’m not saying you’re wrong but I just don’t know what you mean. They have the_dunk_tank which you could argue does but they changed the rules to discourage dunking on anyone that isn’t a prominent voice, if there is harassment from users I haven’t seen the mods do anything to encourage it.
What hate comments are you talking about? I legit don’t know what you are talking about and I post there almost exclusively. You say ‘not us’ but what is this post full of attempted shame on hexbear then? Have you seen the hex thread about defederating? The hex users share kindness for dbzer0 users, the reasons for the banning seemed pretty reasonable and consistent with their policies, and they voted against defederating. From my perspective this whole situation seems a bit immature.
I swear 90% of the people deriding hexbear were offended by one post and never went back or saw a post that was entirely full of sarcastic comments and thought it was unironic. I’m not even ML, I call myself an anarchist and argue about all kinds of shit on hexbear and I have found it to be a very caring community, and actually doesn’t tolerate transphobia or imperialist apologia unlike most online spaces.
Funny, in this ‘drama’ hex voted against defederation and voiced support for dbzer0 users. The bans from hex admins seemed reasonable if you look at the event history.
Which is why hex voted against defederation ahah, hex and dbzer0 users are largely allies from what I’ve seen so it’s kind of funny the admin is banned.
As a dbzero user, there is much cringe from this instance, but I agree this would be very funny. I have seen the admin posts downvoted even on dbzero comms ahah.
I’m thankful that at least some people know there are okay anarchists, the best ones don’t really post online much so I feel like there is a disproportionate representation of the ignorant ones on social media.
I came to DbZ because it was better than lemmy.world and I didn’t know much about the fediverse, more and more I feel embarrassed by this username. This is why I have a hexbear account too, DbZ is hard to trust and the Hex welcomes good anarchists anyway. I just like being able to torture myself by being federated with .world