mstrbtr

mstrbtr, 10 months ago

@WXFanatic the threadstarter talks about making the moderation stuff more clear. But the devs are defending their 'orientalism' in the comments and other places. There is also a low bar for things being western propaganda. Even implying Reddit is western propaganda.

mstrbtr, 10 months ago

@tc lol

mstrbtr, 11 months ago (edited 11 months ago)

@davorb That's an unfair reading. The issue is that they use their position to build the tankie community and are pushing their narrative. That Russia is vindicated, that the genocide of the Uighurs isn't happening, antisemetism, that Jens Stoltenberg and NATO are nazis trying to take down the communists, even though Jens himself is a Social democrat and was attacked by a nazi terrorist by a giant bomb followed by a mass shooting of children and teenagers that were confined on a small island where they had summer camp for the youth party under the same party banner as Jens, who was the stateminister at the time.

This is the type of controversy (Not to forget the unprofessionalism) that is just going to destroy the Lemmy project and its reputation, resulting over time into making it very difficult to collaborate much.

Kbin and for example lotide don't have these issues, making it an easy switch, particurarly as Kbin seems to have much better growth than Lemmy now and the software even seems to work better.

@juneten @QuestioningEspecialy

mstrbtr, 10 months ago

@wally I think the two Lemmy devs are German from what I've observed.

@juneten @QuestioningEspecialy @davorb @majkeli @effingjoe

mstrbtr, 10 months ago

@effingjoe I'm not replying to you, but to Wally. It would be weird to say that stuff if they live in China for example. Also it brings further context. These two devs are hiding behind to images of Fidel Castro and Mao headers and stuff, while they are entitled to it, but it doesn't mean people won't catch up to things.

@juneten @QuestioningEspecialy @davorb @majkeli @wally

mstrbtr, 10 months ago

@effingjoe That's fine. I appreciate the info you've contrabuted. It's nice seeing other people engaging. It's kind of irritating seeing so many people being complacent just because they happen to be "in the left". But it's the internet, so what does one expect.

@juneten @QuestioningEspecialy @davorb @majkeli @wally

mstrbtr, 11 months ago (edited 11 months ago)

@ernest While umbrella plattforms are great, if you want to think in the longterm, I wager this is something you might want to evaluate a bit. People may dissagree, but I think that in the longterm the fediverse will look much more like email, being a ecosystem of single providers, instead of a plattform consisting of many sub-providers, although there probably will always be space for it.

Umbrella platforms are great if you don't have a lot of infrastructure and capital as you can get a lot of horizontal growth without having to invest in it yourself. But in the long term this is a battle for the one big forum provider, the place people will go to have reddit-style groups in the fediverse. If you are smart and want to beat Lemmy to the dust I'd just push donations, and really build Kbin.social and make that your whole thing.

This is also way better for new people that are not familiar with the fediverse and instances, checking out Kbin.pub, which will make the onboarding that much more efficient than your competitiors.

This is also the direction Mastodon is going, and later also where Pixelfed is going, after I've pestered him for years.

Don't waste your time and jump over all the hoops. Kbin has so much potential, and going as the opensource hotmail/gmail "reddit" of the fediverse is the future! B-)

Anyway, I have great faith in you Earnest no matter how you do it. Go rock the world!

mstrbtr, 11 months ago (edited 11 months ago)

@Kichae Most people don't hate email. I love email. It's the most successfull, healthy example of a decentralized network that empower not only enthusiasts like yourself, but the average person.

Every time I get a response from people like you, I get reminded of how selfcentered some people are to their own needs all the time, or wanting to promise a utopia even though we have the closest example to it that we actually can promise to people.

And not only that, you are a part of the unresponsible and toxic part of the fediverse.

You are the problem Ms. or Mr.

Edit: Seems like people need to be reminded 24/7. Lemmy is run by tankies that suppoort Russia, deny the genocide of Uighurs, and sooner than later is just going to destroy their platform. Read this thread

@ernest

mstrbtr, 11 months ago

@blobcat that is the bauty of federated decentralization. Everyone can choose who they want to collaborate with. This will be an issue for you both with larger or smaller providers. But the reality is that larger providers will be easier for 'the common person' to use, whatever that is. But email shows that. And them protecting against spam and malicious email sources is a product of them being responsible. If you were to meet their standards I'm sure you'd be whitelisted.

I have an email with my fully own domain on my own email thing and I have no issue emailing anyone. Only limitation is that most email stuff don't work with the norwegian characters ÆÅØ for the adress and such.

@ernest @Kichae

mstrbtr, 11 months ago

@Kichae I must say that I am really suprised this is the one that has the most upvotes. I know most people come from Reddit and are like super internett nerds. But it is pretty disheartening at this is where the Kbin community is at.

I still have hope for the network, but it also attracts the worst kind of people to associate with as well. be it super right-wing people, or super anti-capitalist people, even like antisemetic, genocide denying tankies like the two devs of Lemmy, never touching grass and living in their own bubble, and the worst part, just really fumbling at everything they do, even as things manage to go their way.

I've been a part of the fediverse movement since the start, but it's sad to give so much and build so much for it to end up into this. Particurarly when I have personally put so much sweat and tears into it myself.

@ernest

mstrbtr, 11 months ago

@itszednotzee couldn't only be chess, it had to be anarchy-chess xD

mstrbtr, 11 months ago

@kjeree Et friskt pust i progressiv politikk synes jeg. Å ha riktige verdier og politisk ideologi er jo et produkt av privilegium, selv om det ikke betyr vi ikke kan fortsette å forbedre egen ideologi, men det er viktig å annerkjenne at vi alle vokser hele tiden, og da er det litt urettferdig å trekke stigen etter seg ved å dømme de som bare er litt lengre ned på stigen en seg selv.

edit: Men arbeiderpartiet er ikke akkurat hvor jeg ville stukket kniven inn når det kommer til progressiv politikk da, føles litt rart å putte dem inn under merkelappen som ser slik nedover. Jeg tror ikke noe spesifikt parti står for det heller. Kanskje mer en generell utvikling som man ser enkeltpersoner kan ha.

mstrbtr, 11 months ago

@kjeree Det er jo stor folkevandring i det internasjonale, men er jo litt nisje i norsk sammenheng. Så forventet ikke stort. Men er jo kjekt å få med de man kan. Gruppa mi NorskNytt fikk mye mer folk. Er også mange folk på snabelen.no og oslo.town og sånn også

mstrbtr, 11 months ago

@ernest You should do a big announcement for your donation thing. Do you have like a official Kbin fediverse profile for people to follow?

mstrbtr, 11 months ago

@DoomBananas det står i artikkelen at han produserte giften ricin, et stoff som har flere ganger blitt brukt til å sykeliggjøre eller drepe familiemedlemmer Osv.

mstrbtr, 11 months ago

@DoomBananas definitivt!