Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said the reelection of former President Trump would be the “end of democracy” in an interview released Saturday by The Guardian....
You thinking you have the more enlightened position simply because you are willing to carte blanche accept this behavior or foreign policy position from the candidate that will be better for the United States doesn’t make you a genius, it makes you self-rigtheous and self-centered. Real innocent people are really dying, and your ability to shrug that off in such a smug, self-satisfied way is truly appalling.
This really isn't at all what he said, and is an extremely dishonest thing to post.
You complain that your comments fall on deaf ears, but when you accuse people of things that are blatant lies, what do you expect?
Look at the text you wrote, and the parts that I bolded.
There is a difference between legitimate disagreement and dishonesty.
Pretending that OP is giving carte blanche to genocide or shrugging that off is an outright lie. Accusing them of anything else based on that lie is also dishonest.
See, I might have cared about OP's post being hypocritical or condescending. But then you went and posted something so outrageously dishonest, and when it was pointed out instead of owning up to your mistake and trying to do better, you doubled down on it and got pissy. But since you don't care, I guess that's where we end it.
As the Colorado Supreme Court wrote, January 6 meets the bar for insurrection “under any viable definition” of the term. The legal scholar Mark Graber, who has closely studied the Fourteenth Amendment’s history, argues that “insurrection” should be understood broadly—an act of organized resistance to government...
Since you don't even seem to know the difference between secede and succeed, I'm inclined not to put much stock in your legal opinion on the 14th Amendment.
You've met "about a dozen" Satanists. In college? You met 12 or so 19-year old students who called themselves Satanists, and you've formed a solid position on the entire philosophy that you're unwilling to budge from.
Christians "should" leave the kids alone (Guess what? They don't.) but you're primary concern is Satanists. You're more concerned with the Satanic Temple providing a safe space for kids to learn after school than you are about abusive indoctrination in the same exact school.
Nice people, of course, but they’re just not serious.
Here they are actually doing some real good work, and you call them not serious. Jesus fucking christ....
If they really cared about protecting kids then they could send resources to the kids parents and invite them to consider their tenets.
They literally fucking do that.
Hypocritical is you pretending to care about kids, when you're acting as a shield for abusers and criticizing the very people who are stepping in to protect kids, all the while lamenting that they should do the actual fucking thing that they're doing.
"Hypocritical" coming from the biggest hypocrite in this thread.
They're helping protect kids from organizations that harm them, and you're calling them no different simply because their work involves kids.
Tell me, how do they help kids without involving kids???
You know nothing about the Satanic Temple, you've just made snap judgments based on your woefully insufficient exposure to a handful of people. You didn't read their website or mission statement before incorrectly assuming what they do.
You accuse people who are actually doing something to help of trolling, while you yourself sit here and criticize them while demonstrating total ignorance about what they do and who they are. All the while you're acting as a shield defending the actual child abusers.
This is the most intellectually dishonest take I have seen in this sub. You should be ashamed. You need to go study up on what you're talking about before digging deeper into your own misinformed prejudices.
I don't see it that way. What I see is the author giving a platform to bigots under the disguise of what should have been a story focused on what the club actually does.
The club is being protested because of ignorance and bigotry. A responsible journalist would help to banish the ignorance by exposing the truth that fear and hatred is unnecessary. Instead, they provided a platform for bigots to spew more their hatred, even quoted two of them, and promoted a Christian club that has absolutely nothing to do with the subject of the article.
Exactly. These clubs are not being put into schools by some outside corporation. They are made by students, with faculty support, like all clubs. The Satanic Temple provides support to these groups, because without an organization like them to back them up, clubs like this would all get shut down by bigoted principals and PTA groups.
Shining a light on them is mentioning that there were protesters there with signs while still focusing on the club.
Giving them a platform is dedicating half of the article to the protestors, quoting their bigoted signs, interviewing 2 of the protesters for bigoted quotations and publishing those quotes along with their names, then not interviewing or quoting any of the students.
I get where you're going with this, but I'm not following along.
Pointing out that there were protesters and explaining what they were doing there/why they were there is one thing. And that's important news. But this article went way way beyond that. They interviewed the protestors, put their names in the paper, and published their bigoted message along with it. They gave them fame and a platform, and helped them spout their hatred.
When there's a terrorist attack, responsible news agencies are careful to avoid giving unnecessary publicity to the terrorists, such as publishing their name and manifesto, and instead they focus on the victims. That's the attitude that should have been taken here. Mention the protestors, but don't platform them. Focus on the kids who are being harassed by these bigots, and show them in the positive light they deserve.
Is that provocative? Is that offensive? Would you say that the school's evangelical "Good News Club" is provocative or trolling?
Calling is a Satan Club is "only to make Christians mad" but calling it a "Good News Club" is not trolling to make non-Christians mad? This says more about your own prejudices than anything else.
Articles like this are exactly what the club wants.
Well I wouldn't have expected them to publish kids' names for exactly the reason you suggest. But getting quotes from them should have been possible. And in any case, whether they quote the kids or not, at the minimum I expect them not to platform the people spewing hate. I don't agree with you that what the article does is simply "shining a light." They're helping them out.
And you’re trying to argue that “New club starts after school, kids have fun” Is some gross misrepresentation of what you said?
Yes. Because that's not what I said at all. Go read what I actually fucking said.
It was a completely inoffensive article
It wasn't.
that you blatantly misrepresented so you could offended. Sorry, but you clearly tried hard to do so.
I didn't.
And I notice that you didn’t actually challenge any of my claims.
Because it was a dishonest troll comment that misrepresented what I said. Just like this one is too. There's nothing to challenge when all that you wrote was dishonest. And there's no reason to treat you seriously when you're just trolling.
These people are harassing children and spewing hate messages. No they're not violent terrorists, but they're closer to that than they are to debaters.
both sides allowed to voice their positions in neutral language
Neutral language? Are you kidding me??
This is not a debate. One side's position is "we want an after school club where we can learn about science and feel accepted." The other side's position is "you are evil and deserve to die." If you give those two positions equal time, you are not being neutral. And there is no "neutral language" for hate speech.
My complaint is that they are platforming the bigots. Rather than reporting what is going on, they are serving as a mouthpiece for a hate group and promoting their agenda.
Now go fuck off to whatever bridge you crawled out from under.
Sanders says Trump reelection would be the ‘end of democracy’ (thehill.com)
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Biden says US does not support Taiwan’s independence following election (thehill.com)
January 6 Is Exactly What the Fourteenth Amendment Was Talking About | And ignoring its clear dictate is a dangerous choice to make. (www.theatlantic.com)
As the Colorado Supreme Court wrote, January 6 meets the bar for insurrection “under any viable definition” of the term. The legal scholar Mark Graber, who has closely studied the Fourteenth Amendment’s history, argues that “insurrection” should be understood broadly—an act of organized resistance to government...
Tennessee after-school Satan club holds first meeting despite protests (www.theguardian.com)