atp2112,

One of the worst parts is that there are many valid reasons to criticize Bill Gates with regards to the COVID vaccine (mainly as it pertains to his intellectual property crusade leading to a few companies getting to dictate the rollout and screwing over the Global South in the process), but it’s all drowned out by these idiots screaming about microchips.

Chozo,
Chozo avatar

That's because all of that is too complicated for these simpletons to understand. They think "intellectual property" is a smart guy's personal belongings.

Rocketpoweredgorilla,
@Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca avatar

Honestly it seems a lot of these “conspiracy theories” are just bullshit stories spoon fed to stupid people to keep them chasing their own tails and distract from the real issues.

can,

Since the dawn of man

Rocketpoweredgorilla,
@Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca avatar

Religion has entered the chat.

KarsicKarl,
KarsicKarl avatar

Poor Dolly Parton.

She help fund a vaccine and no one is banging on about her vaccine causing you to get a large blonde hairdo (we all know it's a wig), and large breasts.

There is no democracy in the targeting of people who've helped fund development. I think they've missed a trick.

Think I've just had an idea about an article taking the piss out of anti -vaxers.

devils_advocate,

Yes. The Oxford vaccine should have been open source. Gates money changed that.

lemmylommy,

No vaccine against stupidity either. Coincidence?

lazylion_ca,

Sure there is. It’s called birth control.

Diabolo96,

It’s called school and when you vilify school this is what happens.

WtfEvenIsExistence,

Well to be fair, there are some parts of school that’s just propaganda ahem “OUR COUNTRY IS THE BEST IN THE WORLD” ahem

Diabolo96,

I don’t want to comment on that. Every time i did i was called all kind of names so huh… Yeah , USA is the best country in the world and they never did anything wrong, ever. Go USA.

teuast,

I will say that I’m pretty sure I remember learning about things like the founding fathers owning slaves, slavery being the biggest single factor behind the civil war, Jim Crow, Japanese internment, and Watergate, among other things, in AP US history in high school. My class also definitely learned about the Trail Of Tears.

That being said, 1. elementary school was still much more about saying the pledge before class and it wasn’t until high school until we started to get into the good stuff, and 2. this was in the infamous anti-American commie hellscape that is the state of California, so take that as you will.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Kids don’t have to say the pledge and they should be informed of that. They aren’t.

My daughter has refused to say the pledge since fifth grade, as is her legal right to do so according to SCOTUS (West Virginia v. Barnette 1943). She came to this idea totally on her own, I didn’t prompt her at all. She just said to me, “I think it’s stupid to say a pledge to a flag.” I was proud of her and supported her. I had to get involved with her teacher because she got in trouble over it.

She’s in seventh grade now and still refuses to say it. Kids give her a hard time about it constantly, but she is adamant that she is not going to say a pledge to a flag.

She’s also old enough now to know what that flag stands for and is even less inclined.

teuast,

Go, your daughter. I wish someone had told me that was an option when I was her age.

JustZ,

I have an aunt who at the beginning of the pandemic noticed that an old can of Lysol or something said it was effective against coronaviruses.

This was proof to her that the government engineered COVID and knew of the pandemic in advance (and I guess told Lysol about it). I linked her the Wikipedia page for coronaviruses and that shut her up.

Holzkohlen,

You think she is still reading?

JustZ,

Some say so.

jayrodtheoldbod,

They definitely think Bill Gates is Jewish.

He’s not. No Jewish ancestry and his current practice is a sort of casual Catholic thing, but he also thinks Dawkins is cool, so about what you’d expect. That’s from a quick Wiki check, but still.

Because if he’s on their poster…

hmancuso,

That’s apples, oranges, and …passion fruits. They’re simply not the same. Besides, it’s quite pessimistic to imagine that the effort scientists have put into vaccine development, and all knowledge acquired, haven’t taught us a trick or two.

SouthEndSunset,

I assume that they’re asking why there is still no cancer vaccine?

pHr34kY,

Gardasil has entered the chat…

SouthEndSunset,

I don’t know him. Is that a Harry Potter character?

pHr34kY,

Not sure if serious… but it’s a vaccine that reduces cervical cancer by about 70%.

SouthEndSunset,

Ah, I don’t know any specifics about cancer treatment. Thanks.

jampacked,

Circlejerk ragebait thread.

artvandelay,

Vaccines are typically meant to protect against viruses or bacteria. Cancer is neither of those. hiv is a virus but the political will to produce effective treatments was not always there. I think a lot of young people underestimate the homophobia that was pervasive not all that long ago and how it was tied to the aids epidemic.

frezik,

There are some promising efforts for vaccines against cancer. It’s teaching your immune system to kill cells that were supposed to die on their own. It’s a relatively recent development, though.

Plus, as should always be stated with cancer treatments, there is no singular “cancer”. It’s a class of related problems that need to be handled individually. Vaccine against prostate cancer shouldn’t be expected to work against breast cancer. Anything that claims to cure cancer in a blanket way should be treated with great suspicion.

Kimano,

I mean also isn’t the hpv vaccine kinda functionally a cancer vaccine

legion02,

The mrna vaccines that allowed us to quickly target covid were under development for targeting cancers. We all got super lucky to be honest.

ph00p,

Oh boy, that could also go horribly wrong too, what if a cell is a little bit retarded in it’s growth for some reason but would develop into a useful cell but, NOPE body killed it.

frezik,

It could, but it’s also improving on something your immune system already does. Out of all the trillions of cells undergoing division in your body all the time, a few of them go cancerous each and every day. Your immune system almost always takes them out. It’s the one time out of a bajilion that things go wrong.

TylerDurdenJunior,

The vaccine had been in development for decades.

The gain-of-function lab COVID-19 escaped from was properly researching just that kind of thing.

CoolSouthpaw,

So many fucking dumbasses in this world. Fucking smh. Fucking pieces of shit.

fne8w2ah,

These clueless twats think they are very smart.

DavidDoesLemmy,
@DavidDoesLemmy@aussie.zone avatar

There’s a cervical cancer vaccine

loudambiance,

Technically there’s a vaccine for HPV, which has been shown to be one of the leading causes of cervical cancer. However, it is believed that at least 80% of women will have HPV sometime in their life and the cervical cancer rate is no where near that. Thus the vaccine only decreases the risk, it is not a vaccine for cervical cancer though.

DavidDoesLemmy,
@DavidDoesLemmy@aussie.zone avatar

By that standard the COVID vaccine isn’t a vaccine either.

HawlSera,

AiDS destroys the immune system, you CAN’T make a vaccine for it.

piecat,

Once destroyed definitely… But couldn’t a vaccine prevent it from getting to that point?

Gigasser,

HIV also rapidly mutates

HawlSera,

That would be an HIV Vaccine

lieuwex,

That’s just pedantic

HawlSera,

It’s more like saying “I miiiiiight be able to cure cancer, that’s a bit tough and would require a lot of luck… I definitely can’t cure death though.”

piecat,

Well, some vaccines are therapeutic in nature, where it’s beneficial to take it while you have symptoms. Some vaccines are only helpful before you get a symptom, for example rabies.

I guess the above made it sound like there definitely can’t be a therapeutic vaccine. But unclear about a preventative vaccine.

hamid,

Their point is AIDS is the syndrome you get after it is too late and your immune system no longer works. The vaccine would be for Human Immunodeficiency Virus

piecat,

Oh gotcha

echodot,

There are some experimental cures that do seem to work at least in rats. But yeah there’s no vaccine you just have to get sick and then get the cure and hope it works.

And also be a rat.

somewhiteguy,

The best thing for my family was that we were in St Jude with our daughter while the rest of the world lost their minds. I was able to speak directly to Infectious Disease doctors that had nothing to do with anything but researching for cancer patients. They had worked with the original doctors for the Covid vaccine, and how long it had been in development as we learned more about the disease. People were just going off ignorance. Just because you don’t know, doesn’t mean everyone else is trying to lie to you.

SeaJ,

Does this person think cancer is a virus?

frezik,

There are cancer vaccines already approved and many more in trials. There is no singular “cancer”, though, so they have to work through each type individually.

echodot,

Everything is a virus. Especially Wi-Fi.

madcaesar,

Cyrus ‘The Virus’!

Blimp7990,

no wifi causes autism

viking,
@viking@infosec.pub avatar

Can we counter vaccine induced autism with highly concentrated wifi? Minus times minus is plus and all that.

Blimp7990,

thats exactly right, but it only works with the 5g version, not 2.4

HiddenLayer5,

Why do I suspect they don’t even know what a virus is? Like they hear the word on the news but have no idea what it means, they just know virus means disease and never cared to learn about the underlying biology.

seitanic,

Cancer can be caused by a virus, but it can also be caused by other things.

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