RickiTarr,
@RickiTarr@beige.party avatar

Not paying your workers well doesn't even make sense financially, what do they think people do with extra money? Corporations shoot themselves in the foot, and then ask all of us to stop the bleeding.

jamieannmason,
@jamieannmason@mastodon.social avatar

@RickiTarr

Corporations view laborers as a right and entitlement. Because the world is built on their capitalistic ideals, people are easily replaceable, the next one in line..

Jamie

RickiTarr,
@RickiTarr@beige.party avatar

@jamieannmason I remember one time I overheard one of my husband's work meetings and they referred to the employees as assets, and I was like, They need to cut that shit out, it's completely dehumanizing.

jamieannmason,
@jamieannmason@mastodon.social avatar

@RickiTarr

Right, welcome to Corporate America..😡

Jamie

Jeremyinthebluehouse,

@jamieannmason @RickiTarr the land of "human capital" and "people business".

Why can't we go back to "Personnel"?

veirling,

@RickiTarr @jamieannmason omfg, yes. I swear, every week I hear the term "resource" to describe a real-ass human being. I've asked people not to use that term.

dekkzz76,
@dekkzz76@emacs.ch avatar

@veirling @RickiTarr @jamieannmason

as a project manager humans are resources on paper for planning but you wont get the best out of them when dealing or interacting with them if you treat them as such

veirling,

@dekkzz76 @RickiTarr @jamieannmason Yuppers, and I know some really terrific PMs, both kind and super talented. It's just cursed terminology I beef with.

LiberalEd,
@LiberalEd@mastodon.social avatar

@veirling @RickiTarr @jamieannmason

Then you'll really love this term.

veirling,

@LiberalEd @RickiTarr @jamieannmason Oh, damn. "HEADCOUNTS" is really old school. 😂

veirling,

@LiberalEd @RickiTarr @jamieannmason Hey, sorry your post triggered a memory. Heard a product owner use the term "bodies" one time when talking about, you know, human workers.

I wonder if his managerized brain was envisioning animated cyborg corpses. tg, I don't have to work with him anymore.

Edelruth,
@Edelruth@mastodon.online avatar

@RickiTarr @jamieannmason

Human Resources. It's right there, on the door and on all the wayfinding signs.

I remember when I used to be one of the Personnel.

maxleibman,
@maxleibman@mastodon.social avatar

@RickiTarr The working class is both responsible to budget well and save for a rainy day, but also expected to (and targeted with marketing to ensure they do) spend everything they have to keep the machine going.

RiaResists,
@RiaResists@mastodon.social avatar

@RickiTarr I used to follow Dan Price on the angry bird.
I love his philosophy of investing in people which easily covers higher wages & better benefits.

RickiTarr,
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@RiaResists LOL @ Angry Bird

Dr_Ubertrout,
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@RickiTarr
They believe they're entitled to all the money. Chosen by God and blessed by Providence to be wealthy. Which totally pardons all the grief and damage their avarice causes.

jimllmixit,

@Dr_Ubertrout @RickiTarr It's no surprise that the wealthy often love a bit of Fascism & Eugenics. Spending their hard-earned on trying to discover ways to live longer/kill people/why white people are better etc. etc. is a well-trodden path by the lunatic rich.

jimllmixit,

@Dr_Ubertrout @RickiTarr I don't doubt Musk has convinced himself, he can save humanity, it's just what humanity is he thinking of saving? You can bet he's given it a lot more thought than any reasonable person would.

jimllmixit,

@Dr_Ubertrout @RickiTarr This is an excellent example of how people with inherent advantages, don't see it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ8Kq1wucsk&ab_channel=TED

RickiTarr,
@RickiTarr@beige.party avatar

@Dr_Ubertrout They literally made a cult about it

veirling,

@RickiTarr @Dr_Ubertrout I'm sure you've all seen it. Wasn't around even when I was a kid. The "gospel of prosperity" is a very real and growing phenomena.

maddad,
@maddad@mastodon.world avatar

@veirling @RickiTarr @Dr_Ubertrout

I remember cults like this from the 70's and 80's. They never seemed to get very far though.

veirling,

@maddad @RickiTarr @Dr_Ubertrout I think it's where I grew up. In Manitoba then in Minnesota we had a surprising amount of Jehovahs Witnesses. idk why that was the fave cult in those places.

WagesOf,
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@RickiTarr the point of the ceo game isn't to just make money, it's to make so much more money than everyone else that it's obvious that whatever species you are isn't the same as the masses.

If everyone had a billion dollars and we could all have ten yachts these sociopathic aliens wouldn't want to play because there'd be no hierarchy to conquer and nobody to look down on.

RickiTarr,
@RickiTarr@beige.party avatar

@WagesOf Right at some point you have more money then you'd ever need and it's just a game to fill up your emptiness. I just hate all these faux journalistic articles explaining why it's this way, that are just out and out propaganda, that you can spend two minutes debunking. I'M ON A RANT LOL

WagesOf,
@WagesOf@gamepad.club avatar

@RickiTarr it really should be in the DSM right by hoarder syndrome as pathological greed or something. If you have a billion dollars just sitting around while you watch people starving to death there is something very broken within your brain.

RickiTarr,
@RickiTarr@beige.party avatar

@WagesOf I'm just imagining a well meaning blonde woman, sitting with a crying Billionaire trying to explain why they need to get rid of at least a couple Billion, like those hoarder shows LOL

vfrmedia,
@vfrmedia@social.tchncs.de avatar

@RickiTarr @WagesOf

I think its as much the power thing CEOs go for rather than the money, once they have made their first few millions they could invest them in savings plans, live off the interest and retire long before late middle age, and surprisingly few rich CEOs do that, they carry on hustling until they are too unwell to go to work or drop dead (it seems less common in Asian businesses though as the old folk generally do retire and hand over the business to their offspring)

lispi314,

@vfrmedia @RickiTarr @WagesOf In that last parenthesis, you get no less messed-up zaibatsus though.

vfrmedia,
@vfrmedia@social.tchncs.de avatar

@lispi314 @RickiTarr @WagesOf

Also even in modern ESEA countries the old people seem to never /fully/ retire, they often keep some token position on the board of directors and still exert some control over their offspring through traditional family values..

orangethenugreen,

@WagesOf @RickiTarr ivory tower Syndrome

WagesOf,
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@orangethenugreen @RickiTarr doesn't ivory tower imply academia in idiom tho?

autolycos,
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@WagesOf @RickiTarr it is

There is a with excessive acquisition modifier

wendinoakland,
@wendinoakland@mastodon.social avatar

@RickiTarr @WagesOf Then they buy stuff (real estate, for example) and jack the prices way up to make more money. Problem is, zillions of normals can’t afford those prices, so we have a homelessness crisis.

RickiTarr,
@RickiTarr@beige.party avatar

@wendinoakland @WagesOf It's Maddening!

wendinoakland,
@wendinoakland@mastodon.social avatar

@RickiTarr @WagesOf It’s not a sustainable situation.

bobjmsn,
@bobjmsn@mastodon.scot avatar

@RickiTarr I think the gameplan is to sell goods through advertising that customers cannot afford and then encourage them to buy on credit which provides a second stream of income. Then the customer has to work longer to pay off the debt.

jay_chi,
@jay_chi@mastodon.social avatar

@RickiTarr
It's not about money, it's about class warfare, but wrapped in a guise of capitalism and markets.

Don't think of money as money, but as capital-the power to influence behavior for various purposes (often to raise more capital).

Henry Ford's view says it all: pay the proles enough to afford to buy the product that they are building.

I don't have a good solution beyond an external code of ethics (or "honor") that applies to C-suites and Boards.

RickiTarr,
@RickiTarr@beige.party avatar

@jay_chi Except they aren't even paying that much most of the time lol

SonofaGeorge,

@RickiTarr For all his faults, Henry Ford paid his workers well. Asked why, he said "how are they going to buy cars if they're not paid well?"

toxy,
@toxy@mastodon.acc.sunet.se avatar

@RickiTarr But then the peasants must borrow to pay for the goods and services they helped to create. And all at competitive rates of interest. Consumers consumed.

KerryMitchell,

@toxy @RickiTarr Did they help make the things they’re buying on credit in 2023 though? Global trade adds another complication - a distortion in the labour market. America is not a self-reliant producer of goods, and having the major reserve currency keeps foreign goods cheap. Poor Americans aren’t poor because they’ve been sold a bunch of stuff, or because they pay interest even. They’re poor because of government policies: education, welfare, healthcare… the lacking social safety net.

RickiTarr,
@RickiTarr@beige.party avatar

@toxy That they end up defaulting on, and then the government pretends they are going to punish these people for taking on bad loans, but really just bail them out, but we really need to stop doing this lol

toxy,
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@RickiTarr Socialism for the rich, grim, capitalist determinism for the poor.

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