CelloMomOnCars,
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San Francisco, Chinese New Year.
The streets are PACKED with people celebrating. A robotaxi muscles its way through, carrying no passenger.

So it's an empty robot car, taking up the space of a dozen people standing, barging through the crowd which is crowded.

And police are scratching their heads about how the car ended up torched.

https://sfstandard.com/2024/02/10/waymo-robotaxi-goes-up-in-flames-in-chinatown-after-crowd-attacks-vehicle/

CelloMomOnCars,
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This is TechBro speaking:

"Thankfully, the vehicle was not transporting any passengers at the time of the blaze, and Waymo is no longer required to have a safety driver in each of its vehicles."

https://jalopnik.com/san-francisco-crowd-torches-waymo-taxi-1851247845

No, Jalopnik:
It is precisely the zero occupation of the car that brought on the attack.
Also, a real person would have steered the car around that crowd.

CelloMomOnCars,
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"The Waymo torching did not take place in a vacuum."

Of the control Big Tech has over our ordinary lives, the anger at that power, of democracy, and what the term "Luddites" really means.

https://www.bloodinthemachine.com/p/torching-the-google-car-why-the-growing

CelloMomOnCars,
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It is no accident that Rebecca Solnit's anti-paean to Big Tech and tech bro culture starts with a consideration of "self-driving" cars. It goes on to sketch a picture of where the growing resistance comes from.

The Bay Area was "a laboratory for new ideas. We’re still that lab, but we’re no longer an edge; we’re a global power centre, and what issues from here – including a new super-elite – shapes the world in increasingly disturbing ways."

https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v46/n03/rebecca-solnit/in-the-shadow-of-silicon-valley

alexch,
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@CelloMomOnCars I was recently chatting on FB with a friend who regularly takes Waymos around SF. She says her experiences are great, and expects the tech to keep improving. I asked her to consider if it's already peaked since it can't predict human behavior, and instead humans would keep getting pushed out of public spaces by corporations, like with jaywalking laws. Thanks for giving me the perfect example!

And good on the partiers for gleefully neutralizing the threat to their safety and fun!

CelloMomOnCars,
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Nail on the head, there, @alexch :

"To whom does the street belong?"

Wizard3rdClass,
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@CelloMomOnCars What can we do to encourage this trend?

eschaton,
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@CelloMomOnCars Anyone who claims they saw anything is a scab.

ChrisHolladay,
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  • CelloMomOnCars,
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    @ChrisHolladay

    They're not stupid (very few people are actually stupid).
    But Car Brain does a lot to skew the way one thinks.

    E.g. Car Brain says a car has the right to be on the street no matter what else is on that street.

    robotistry,

    @CelloMomOnCars This is a Waymo design failure - this road should have been treated as blocked, just like a road blocked by a construction or a fallen tree.

    But it's very hard to use local sensor information to tell the difference between "crowd of people who are on the street as their destination" (e.g. celebration, protest) and "river of people temporarily blocking traffic" (e.g. when an event lets out) - and in the latter case the car is there to help reduce the crowd.

    CelloMomOnCars, (edited )
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    @robotistry

    It's hard enough to teach your kids common sense, I'm not sure it can be done with robots.

    I would say part of that common sense is that cars and dense crowds of people don't mix.

    chthonicionic,
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    @CelloMomOnCars @robotistry the car takes up more space than the people who might fit inside it, so in what way does it help reduce the crowd by attempting to occupy the same space as it?

    robotistry,

    @chthonicionic @CelloMomOnCars In the people leaving an event scenario, it helps because it's a taxi.

    You want it there (or at least in the vicinity rather than avoiding the area entirely) because its job is to collect people (ideally from the fringes of the crowd) and take them home, thereby reducing the overall size of the crowd.

    CelloMomOnCars,
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    @robotistry @chthonicionic

    Nope.
    ONE car won't thin the crowd. Enough cars to thin the crowd gives unbearable congestion and nobody goes home very fast.

    When that many people leave an event the best way to thin the crowds is public transit.

    Cities know this: this is why public transit is free on, say, New Year's Eve celebrations.

    chthonicionic,
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    @robotistry @CelloMomOnCars absolutely, so shoving your way into that crowd isn’t a good idea

    Now we get to wave the magic mass transit wand as well :)

    (I live next to a 60,000 seat stadium whose nearest mass transit station has to close on match days because it can’t cope, so no bragging here)

    CelloMomOnCars,
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    @chthonicionic @robotistry

    The transit station is so popular that it can't cope with the volume, so they CLOSE it?

    That's ....
    I try hard to avoid saying anyone is stupid, but that's -- insane.

    maxthyme,
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    @CelloMomOnCars It's a mystery, probably a software error.

    jfrnz,

    @CelloMomOnCars That’s some sound rationale for hooliganism!

    Huck,

    @CelloMomOnCars
    Oh no, that was our weed delivery.

    CelloMomOnCars,
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    @Huck

    😂

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