coffeepine,
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Just saw a post urging Americans to "Vote Blue" if they don't want violence at their protest camps.

double-checks party affiliation of current US president who is in charge of violence in protest camps

blinks slowly

Uhmmm....

Alice, (edited )
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@coffeepine The example in that post is terrible, but this is a serious matter in the United States.

We only have two possible candidates for election. Biden OR Trump.

Nobody wants either, but any vote not for Biden is a vote for Trump and that is definitely the worst outcome.

Nobody is excited or happy, but the most important thing is to ensure that our votes legitimately count as a vote against Trump.

As a result, Biden it is.

dannotdaniel,
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@Alice @coffeepine

thank you for this frank assessment

philleu,

@dannotdaniel @Alice @coffeepine
My take on this is
This is not the time for complacency

Alice,
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dannotdaniel,
@dannotdaniel@mastodon.social avatar

@Alice @philleu @coffeepine with relish even 🌭

thank you I'm here all week

dannotdaniel,
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@Alice @philleu @coffeepine look all I'm saying is - excited or not about this election - we must ensure that Biden is the weiner

dannotdaniel,
@dannotdaniel@mastodon.social avatar

@Alice @philleu @coffeepine anyone who isnt on board with JB at this point - I don't have time to help you ketchup

mentallyalex,
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@dannotdaniel
I mustard you to please staaaahp with these. 😿 :blobcatgiggle:

@Alice @philleu @coffeepine

dannotdaniel,
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@mentallyalex @Alice @philleu @coffeepine you got it dawg 🌭

Biden: is the weiner
Trump: just the würst

mentallyalex,
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coffeepine,
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@Alice I know that, but the Pro-Biden camp (esp. on here) is atrocious and has the weirdest tone trying to drum up interest in the man.

Also, I am pretty sure that even a lot of the critics will vote Biden anyway because they are not stupid.

But I said it before, y'all should be so angry that the system only gives you these choices.

Alice,
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@coffeepine We're definitely angry, but this is our reality and we have to act responsibly in this election to ensure Trump doesn't win, so that means voting for Biden.

We already had this happen in the 2000 election when Al Gore and Bush Jr. were running and a bunch of people with good intentions voted for Nader, but that meant what likely would have been Gore votes were then split and pushed to Nader which resulted in Bush winning the election.

We've all been here before and it's VERY important that people vote for Biden to ensure that doesn't happen all over again.

DebR,
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@Alice @coffeepine Some of us actually DO like Biden. Is he perfect? Not by a long shot, but he is not a dictator. Both sides are definitely not the same.

maddad,
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@DebR @Alice @coffeepine

Common sense says we should vote for Biden.
After watching the republican gong show for the last while, no sane person would want Trump as POTUS unless they have something to gain from it personally .

Alice,
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@maddad @DebR @coffeepine The problem is the people who vote for anyone but Biden.

I rarely get political on here and I’m not Biden's biggest fan, but I’m also not an idiot so I know that I need to vote for him because it's our only chance of keeping Trump out of office.

tayledras,
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@Alice @coffeepine

I'm a puti lalaki (Tagalog: "white guy") married to a Filipina. While my wife is voting blue out of self-preservation, much of her family and friends still vote Red.

Democrats still haven't done a terribly great job caring or addressing anyone who isn't affluent white or urban.

Minorities feel overlooked and uncared for by Democrats and Biden.

DJT may be a huge liar and hypocrite, but he's "speaking their language" in making himself a martyr for the unwashed masses.

timswan,
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@tayledras This is true only if you don’t pay much attention to what Biden has actually accomplished, and what Trump’s plan for the future is.

tayledras, (edited )
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@timswan agreed, but in the world of two working adults in most families, with the limited attention span of whatever television news and social media shovel out, the messaging and optics of Biden could certainly be better.

Obama and Clinton were far more masterful at messaging than Biden is.

timswan,
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@coffeepine How exactly is Biden “in charge of violence in protest camps”? This is an extremely simplistic view, and ignores that D Trump wants to build deportation camps for over 10 million people. But yes, tell me they’re the same.

coffeepine,
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@timswan See, my dude, it is EXACTLY this tone that alienates.

a) Point me to the where in my post I called them 'the same', please.

b) The president is the constitutional organ in the US with the most amount of power but you are telling me he cannot stop violent assault on peaceful protest? Weak Joe. Can he not stop it or does he not want to?

c) Him and his government still fund genocide. Can he not stop it or does he not want to?

Look, fascism light is still fascism. And for all it's worth, vote blue. But please stop pretending he is a good president.

timswan,
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@coffeepine you wanting the president to be able to control legal protests is what facism is all about. The president doesn’t have that power and he shouldn’t. You lost me with your casual use of the word genocide. Blocked.

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