It still doesn’t tell us what was changed in the system, just what are the terms to use it. If you’re using your license agreement instead of release notes or changelog to communicate what’s new, you’re doing it wrong.
Hm. That’s very generic and seems to only describe the software behavior from a user perspective. When I’m looking for a change log, I’m thinking of something like this: github.com/evcc-io/evcc/releases (came to mind because evcc was the last thing I updated).
Yeah, well, that does sound like a problem. How can I take responsibility for a production environment based on upstream being like “Yeah, we fixed the bug you reported in a solid way, trust us bro.”
Homebrew people: “This patch changed nothing, except they tried to plug a hole. Damn, took us almost 10 minutes to counteract that this time!”
(OK, there was one system update where they added the ability to run stuff off of the SD card, but beside that, there were a whole bunch of updates where they tried to stay ahead of homebrew/pirates and failed spectacularly.)
meanwhile updates on linux telling me exactly what is happening in real time, working completely in the background, and politely informing me that i may wish to reboot to apply all the updates properly
Linux updates are much superior, but Windows updates have not taken more than 5 minutes for me for a long time.
I just hate all the reboots. Linux can update everything, even kernels now, and no downtime. Reminds me of crap home internet routers: “oh you changed the date&time? Then I gotta reboot”
The routine Windows updates do go pretty quickly, but the “cumulative updates” can still take a very long time in my experience. I have to patch multiple servers and workstations at my job and it sucks. And if you have a hyper-v guest that lies dormant most of the time, but you need to update it once or twice a month, may the gods help you. Takes forever to even CHECK for updates, because Windows freaks the hell out if your PC remains turned off for a period of time.
Don’t forget when the update stage actually reads 100%, which makes no logical sense because if the stage was at 100%, you wouldn’t still be telling me we are processing it as the current stage.
Somehow Windows struggles with file i/o and always has been. When copying stuff to floppy disks in Win 3 or 95 the progress bar steadily grew to 100% and since floppies were loud, you could hear that the actual copying only started then and you had to wait longer staring at 100% than the progress bar before.
You just gave me a nostalgia bomb of copying files on Win98/XP and watching the little files fly from one folder to the other for 5 minutes after the progress bar filled up.
I miss little animations like that, makes me wish there were more fun little things in OS UIs these days. Now everything is just a bar and a number.
It’s not like they’re the first ones to do it either. Ubuntu did it before them and it was a massive disaster. Miscrosoft couldn’t not have noticed it. They’ve seen what happened, and they went “Yes, that’s exactly what we want” anyway.
This comment and subsequent responses are making me wonder now, if you somehow dug out a 15 year old flash drive with like a Firefox 3 installer on it or something, could you get that up and running and eventually updated to the current version?
I am here to complain about how bad winget is. Have not tried the alternatives on windows. I assume they arr much better, mostly because it’s almost impossible to make them worse.
With the millions of updates they keep pushing, you’d think by now, they would have fixed their drivers going stale out of nowhere and shit just stops working until you remove and reinstall them and reboot, for some weird reason.
Wut? If the driver fails for some reason, it gets restarted in the background and you get a small notification in the tray about that. That’s all, no need to reinstall anything.
Ooooof. Just this last week I had to remove the drivers for my headsets completely, reboot and then reinstall. Same with the docking station. Shit happens all the time.
Yup. A Plantronics headset. My docking station goes through this, too, where it just stops working. Then I’d have to remove the driver’s and reinstall. I know, it’s ridiculous.
Microsoft also really likes to install the update on your machine, wait a while, then finally activate whatever feature it is they changed.
Like I think I read somewhere that every machine running 22H2 around the time 23H2 came out was actually running 23, but with most of the new features turned off. Also even before 23H3 came out they were sprinkling those features into 22 so by the time I updated nothing changed.
Tinc gets broken by Windows updates every once in a while. The problem is that the update sometimes renames the network connections and Tinc needs the connection to have a specific name to work.
That’s the one I personally ran into several times now.
Given that I literally said I personally encountered this problem: Yes, it does. It’s mostly just an annoyance that goes straight onto the “Windows Update jank” pile but I have wasted quite a bit of time helping people deal with connectivity issues that could down to “tinc_vpn” getting automatically renamed to “Network Connection 7”.
Yeah, but you didn’t bother to actually follow the link or read what it says. There was a bug in Microsoft’s VPN implementation (which no one uses) which affected no one, until they fixed it.
Well, I used to use it back in the days. Many VPN providers like NordVPN use IKEv2. Older corporate deployments of Cisco VPN use IPSEC. Should I continue?
Disregarding the topic and focusing on semantics for half a second out of pure (and weekend freedom stoned) curiosity, why do you value the anecdotal experience of others–and seemingly in one direction only?
My Cousin Vinny’s Tomato Canning and Money Laundering Inc, ran by my cousin Vinny and his family of hard looking unrelated men lost VPN access after the last Microsoft update. I’m lying, BUT let’s pretend I’m not, what’s your next weird hill, I’m curious.
You didn’t answer me, so I’ll give you another chance. You must’ve missed my question last time. Which VPN were you using which stopped working after a windows update?
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