South Dakota governor, a potential Trump running mate, writes in new book about killing her dog

The Guardian obtained a copy of Noem’s soon-to-be released book, “No Going Back: The Truth on What’s Wrong with Politics and How We Move America Forward.” In it, she tells the story of the ill-fated Cricket, a 14-month-old wirehaired pointer she was training for pheasant hunting.

On the way home from the hunting trip, Noem writes that she stopped to talk to a family. Cricket got out of Noem’s truck and attacked and killed some of the family’s chickens, then bit the governor.

“At that moment,” Noem writes, “I realized I had to put her down.” She led Cricket to a gravel pit and killed her.

She writes, according to the Guardian, that the tale was included to show her willingness to do anything “difficult, messy and ugly” if it has to be done. But backlash was swift against the Republican governor, who just a month ago drew attention and criticism for posting an infomercial-like video about cosmetic dental surgery she received out-of-state.

bradorsomething,

It’s a shame, because she was white and attractive, so she met the republican criteria for a female candidate. Unfortunately she forgot the secret criteria of being quiet and repeating what the man says.

werefreeatlast,

Fully grown Dog abortion is A-OK!

So how deep is this gravel pit? I assume she had to wack the dog with a 2x4 or a framing hammer? Or maybe she tied him up and ran him over… that’s a very hard decision. There are harder ways. Like a small hatchet with a dull edge…you know like the French realty, lots of bone crackling and a big bloody mess? No thanks!

No thanks a lot! I’m vegan. We believe in reducing and eliminating animal torture.

Sarmyth,

The quoted text from the article says she was coming back from training the dog for pheasant hunting. Seems a safe bet she shot it.

werefreeatlast,

Oh I missed that part. Yup that’s most logical.

ikidd,
@ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

Oh? Are you a vegan? Really?

How interesting.

headset,

You sure like to fantasize about killing animals though

TheJims,

No wonder trump and his robotic army of uncle fuckers love her so much.

whoisearth,
@whoisearth@lemmy.ca avatar

If it ain’t:

  • White
  • Loves whites and sees them as persecuted
  • Male
  • Loves men and sees them as persecuted
  • Straight
  • Loves straight people and sees them as persecuted

Well then fuck them.

tearsintherain, (edited )
@tearsintherain@leminal.space avatar

This will never age well. Begin precipitous political decline.

bradorsomething,

No decline here… we just take her to the gravel pit.

whoisearth,
@whoisearth@lemmy.ca avatar

Begin? It started decades ago. Fuck we are nearing a century lol

phoneymouse,

Psychopath

Burn_The_Right,

Conservative

Gimpydude,

https://lemmynsfw.com/pictrs/image/e8cb41b9-3b22-4811-97c4-f1ba73782b62.gif

KillingTimeItself,

damn, wonder what she does to people who marginally slight her in office.

Sam_Bass,

Sounds like the perfect sidekick for a petulant forked tongue fake tanned false god

FiniteBanjo,

I want to chime in that she did the responsible thing, here. Don’t let that emotional animal part of your brain think “how dare she harm the puppers” when she clearly couldn’t control, contain, or responsibly own this animal. Putting it in the pound would have solved nothing. She did the right thing and I have no idea why we’re even discussing it.

Every single action leading up to that point, though, that was on her.

AWistfulNihilist,

Naw, just give the dog to a rescue, even a no kill shelter would have been fine, that’s likely a pure breed GWP (German wirehair pointer). There aren’t GWPs just running around loose on the streets, not hard to re-home.

Just an fyi on no-kill shelters, they are no-kill because they are incredibly selective on animals they take in, they are specifically looking for adoptable animals, this would be one they would take on a heartbeat. Hunting dogs killing chickens is an INCREDIBLY common problem.

FiniteBanjo,

Shelters overflow with these animals in the USA. I doubt that they would accept this animal at a no-kill, it bit a person. I think the choice she made at the end minimized harm and suffering for the dog and others.

AWistfulNihilist,

They would! Poorly trained hunting dogs nipping or biting while in prey-drive is also incredibly common. I have seen this exact story play it with a Brittany Spaniel, rescue and no kills would take this 2 year old, put it in a very brief bite quarantine, then train it.

Like it’s a story that rescues and shelters hear all the time! Especially in heavy hunting areas

FiniteBanjo,

I don’t believe a word of what you just said.

AWistfulNihilist,

Ok! Thanks!

return2ozma,
@return2ozma@lemmy.world avatar

I saw this last night scrolling through YouTube and only read the top line… “shot and killed” WHAT?!? … then read the second line. Still, WTF?!

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/9ebe7777-beee-46cc-9ac1-ae4728f5afdb.jpeg

inclementimmigrant,

I grew up in the country, raised chickens with my folks, so I get that farm dogs are different than indoor pets, I’ve had to put down a few dogs in my day due to old yeller situations but I’ve never put a dog down for being a shitty dog trainer, something that Republicans seem to really love bragging about.

profdc9,

The point is to show she can intentionally and decisively be cruel and mean, especially to an animal under her custody. This is seen as a desirable character trait to Trump’s followers.

kent_eh,

The point is to show she can intentionally and decisively be cruel and mean, especially to an animal under her custody.

Combine that with Trump labeling groups he doesn’t like as a bunch of animals and it gets even scarier to think that they might join forces.

logos,

She tells it like it is. Unfortunately, because of people like her, she’s not totally wrong.

meep_launcher,

I mean SS troops had to kill the dog that they raised as a puppy through their entire training to prove their dedication to Hitler.

mostNONheinous,

Is there a source for this? Not disagreeing, I e just never heard this before.

hessenjunge,

That’s because it never happened. If it had you’d definitely have heard about it.

vaultdweller013,

By that logic Ea-Nasir didnt sell high quality copper until the rediscovery of his tablets. Obscurity doesnt equal it didnt happen.

hessenjunge, (edited )

You’re comparing apples to Nazis.

ELI5 for the intellectually challenged downvoting this:

Apple: Ea-nāṣir - one random dude c. 1750 BCE.

Nazis: The OG Nazis 1933 - 1945 that murdered millions of people.

The comparison is incredibly stupid. You might just as well liken a speck of dust to a planet.

Burn_The_Right, (edited )

Some of us have heard about it.

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2015/03/evil-in-the-making/#:~:text=DE%20SWAAN%3A%20For%20example%2C%20they,was%20necessary%20for%20the%20Volk.

(Link from a few comments above)

hessenjunge, (edited )

Initial answer when the comment had nos source: Source: Trust me bro.

The linked interview has one(!) offhand comment by Abram de Swaan about the alleged practise. The interview is in part to promote his book “The Killing Compartments: The Mentality of Mass Murder.” which of course features Nazi Germany quite a bit. So I went ahead and downloaded said book. The words ‘dog’, ‘puppy’ ,or ‘pet’ are mentioned zero times in the entirety of the book.

Trying to find the book and more sources for the allegation I came up with nothing else.

While “SS-Troops” (idiotic generalisation in this case) like the SS-Totenkopfverbände did many fucked up thinks and would be fucked up enough to feature the alleged dog killings in their training - there is so far no proof whatsoever.

If this were the case it would be in every other movie about WW2. It’s in Kingsmen FFS, where the good guys do this as part of their training.

Sorry, I have to call BS on this one.

Burn_The_Right,

Source: Harvard.edu

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2015/03/evil-in-the-making/#:~:text=DE%20SWAAN%3A%20For%20example%2C%20they,was%20necessary%20for%20the%20Volk.

hessenjunge, (edited )

The linked interview has one(!) offhand comment by Abram de Swaan about the alleged practise. The interview is in part to promote his book “The Killing Compartments: The Mentality of Mass Murder.” which of course features Nazi Germany quite a bit. So I went ahead and downloaded said book. The words ‘dog’, ‘puppy’ ,or ‘pet’ are mentioned zero times in the entirety of the book.

Trying to find the book and more sources for the allegation I came up with nothing else.

While “SS-Troops” (idiotic generalisation in this case) like the SS-Totenkopfverbände did many fucked up thinks and would be fucked up enough to feature the alleged dog killings in their training - there is so far no proof whatsoever.

If this were the case it would be in every other movie about WW2. It’s in Kingsmen FFS, where the good guys do this as part of their training.

Sorry, I have to call BS on this one.

meep_launcher,

news.harvard.edu/gazette/…/evil-in-the-making/#:~….

hessenjunge, (edited )

The linked interview has one(!) offhand comment by Abram de Swaan about the alleged practise. The interview is in part to promote his book “The Killing Compartments: The Mentality of Mass Murder.” which of course features Nazi Germany quite a bit. So I went ahead and downloaded said book. The words ‘dog’, ‘puppy’ ,or ‘pet’ are mentioned zero times in the entirety of the book.

Trying to find the book and more sources for the allegation I came up with nothing else.

While “SS-Troops” (idiotic generalisation in this case) like the SS-Totenkopfverbände did many fucked up thinks and would be fucked up enough to feature the alleged dog killings in their training - there is so far no proof whatsoever.

If this were the case it would be in every other movie about WW2. It’s in Kingsmen FFS, where the good guys do this as part of their training.

Sorry, I have to call BS on this one.

TheRealKuni,

I think you’re thinking of Game of Thrones and the Unsullied. 😂

(In all seriousness I know this is an urban legend told about many different military organizations around the world. I don’t know if there’s any truth to it.)

meep_launcher,

No it’s real

news.harvard.edu/gazette/…/evil-in-the-making/#:~….

hessenjunge, (edited )

The linked interview has one(!) offhand comment by Abram de Swaan about the alleged practise. The interview is in part to promote his book “The Killing Compartments: The Mentality of Mass Murder.” which of course features Nazi Germany quite a bit. So I went ahead and downloaded said book. The words ‘dog’, ‘puppy’ ,or ‘pet’ are mentioned zero times in the entirety of the book.

Trying to find the book and more sources for the allegation I came up with nothing else.

While “SS-Troops” (idiotic generalisation in this case) like the SS-Totenkopfverbände did many fucked up thinks and would be fucked up enough to feature the alleged dog killings in their training - there is so far no proof whatsoever.

If this were the case it would be in every other movie about WW2. It’s in Kingsmen FFS, where the good guys do this as part of their training.

Sorry, I have to call BS on this one.

mojo_raisin,

Anyone who willingly wears a badge or military uniform would kill their mother given the order. These symbols are identification showing us exactly who is preventing societal progress.

rusticus,

This. Dogs do aggressive things when they are stressed. Maybe the dog acted out due to all the beatings from the governor.

BonesOfTheMoon, (edited )

I had a coworker years ago who was rather obnoxious and I sort of had to tiptoe around her moods. Another staff member dropped by the office and was talking about how she had to take her beloved cat into the vet as it had some injury or illness, I don’t recall what, just office chitchat kind of thing and the cat ended up fine. Moody Woman announced that she had a cat years ago that got into paint thinner or something that had injured it and it was running around screaming, and she said “I didn’t have money for a vet, so I took it out back and chopped its head off with a shovel”.

And then when we stared at her in absolute horror, she said in a flippant way, “Don’t look at me like that, I couldn’t listen to that noise”.

Like it was just no big deal. I had to share an office with her for months after that, and I just avoided speaking to her as much as possible. How could you possibly do that?

ETA: I also worked with nurses who would steal insulin from the med cart and euthanize barn cats with it. That is according to my vet friend not a humane way to euthanize an animal.

seth,

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    BonesOfTheMoon,

    The right thing to do absolutely. I foster dogs for a rescue and some of them have come to me because the owner had a change in life circumstances. That happens, like one owner had to go into affordable housing and couldn’t take the dog, was devastated by it. Said dog is sitting looking at me with eyes of love as I type, five years after I adopted him. So it can end happily but you have to make an effort.

    seth,

    It’s very sad when people have to give up their pets because they can’t take care of them for reasons out of their control. I would be gutted if I didn’t have mine.

    TheRealKuni,

    We got our current dog because his previous owners of nearly eight years adopted a new puppy, and their old dog didn’t like the puppy. So they rehomed their old dog, rather than the puppy.

    This dog is the chillest dog ever. Vets love him, groomers love him, we love him. He doesn’t do well with other dogs because they never trained him to.

    I think it’s kind of terrible that they chose the puppy, but at the same time I’m so grateful they did because we love our little guy.

    seth,

    That’s bittersweet, but good that the dog gets to live with people who prioritize his well-being.

    Duamerthrax, (edited )

    What the fuck is it with republican politicians and bragging about terrible dog ownership?

    kyle,

    People attacked him for his character, that he couldn’t be president for this. And I agree, those in high office must be held to the highest standard.

    But my god, where are we now??

    ickplant,
    @ickplant@lemmy.world avatar

    Cause they think of dogs as property, like furniture. I remember Romney told that story thinking it was funny. They will scream about “tHe UnBoRn” while showing cruelty to living beings.

    Duamerthrax,

    God, you can tell he grew up in a cult cause he never realized how he sounded to other people. The “Binders full of women” comment and him accusing a bakery owner of giving him 7-11 cookies were so fucking weird.

    prole,

    Unfortunately, this will end up being a positive for the base.

    BonesOfTheMoon,

    They’re all defending her on her Facebook post about it,saying it’s a reality of living on a ranch. It just further cements my conviction that conservatives are lacking in conscience. They squawk on and on about abortion being so wrong, but literally killing a literal sentient being for some behavior problem versus removing a few cells is completely beyond their comprehension. They’re so cognitively dull.

    Omgboom,

    She killed her dog because she didn’t know how to train her dog

    girlfreddy,
    @girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

    Tbh not many people out there know how to train dogs (or cats for that matter).

    FlyingSquid,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    In general, they don’t kill their dogs over their failure.

    girlfreddy,
    @girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

    True, but they often send them back to where they adopted them from … when shelters are often overflowing.

    FlyingSquid,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Giving the dog another chance to be adopted is a hell of a lot better than having it follow you to a gravel pit and then killing it.

    suction,

    So what’s your point, genius? That we shouldn’t view her how she deserves to be viewed, I.e. a horrible person who shouldn’t be near any kind of grown up profession?

    girlfreddy,
    @girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

    Straw man argument.

    SaltySalamander,

    Not only a straw man, he also presented an ad hominem.

    suction,

    I mean yeah if I saw her or one of the other MAGAts dying in a ditch after a car accident, I’d pump my fist and continue on my merry way. Just being honest here.

    ickplant,
    @ickplant@lemmy.world avatar

    Better give the dog a chance. It’s a purebred, she would get adopted.

    FiniteBanjo,

    Not really a distinction worth making when surrendering or adopting out a dog is just a pipeline to Euthanization anyways. This dog bit a human being, killed small animals for sport, it’s far too late to salvage.

    FlyingSquid,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    There are plenty of no kill shelters. This county’s shelter is no kill.

    FiniteBanjo,

    And no kill shelters are selective and in high demand.

    FlyingSquid,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    The one here is not selective. It serves a county of 100,000 people. The surrounding counties also have no-kill shelters.

    disguy_ovahea,

    Not true. She trained it to chase pheasants all day before it attacked the chickens. It did exactly what she trained it to do.

    theotherverion,

    How can you kill your own dog.

    girlfreddy,
    @girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

    There are reasons. Being so-called “untrainable” isn’t one of them.

    theotherverion,

    Agreed, I mean if a dog is dying and suffering, then I accept euthanasia but when a young healthy dog is killed just because you can’t handle it, you are a cunt.

    meco03211,

    I’m thinking of the old adage on how she lacks the warmth and depth to be a cunt.

    FlyingSquid,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Easy- her dog was a hunting tool, not a pet, so she got rid of it when she didn’t like it. She is incapable of feeling affection for anything but herself and she already made that very clear before putting out the book.

    OccamsRazer,

    Is it better to have someone else do it? Easier for sure, but is it actually better from an ethical standpoint?

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