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Arotrios, to climate in Al Gore has turned the corner: The former vice president is no longer using his charts to explain why the climate crisis is real. He's using them to explain why the fossil fuel industry can't be trust
Arotrios avatar

Better late than never, but I stopped considering him a leader on anything after he caved to Bush. I do appreciate that he's tried to make up for his and his father's choices in the past, but the time for him to make a stand was 23 years ago - he could have single-handedly changed the course of history had he been resolute in pursuing the Presidency.

IsThisLemmyOpen,

He didn’t cave to bush, he could not have legally done anything. The supreme court has already decided so what was he supposed to do? Attempt a coup?

orcrist,

There are more than two options. Obviously.

Spacebar, to climate in Al Gore has turned the corner: The former vice president is no longer using his charts to explain why the climate crisis is real. He's using them to explain why the fossil fuel industry can't be trust
@Spacebar@lemmy.world avatar

We lost 20 years because of Bush v Gore. It’s infuriating.

theyresocool,

Brooks Brothers Riot has entered the chat

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danc4498, (edited )

The supreme court decided that election along party lines.

The supreme court is now more conservative than they were back then.

mr_sparkle,

More like Supreme Court Injustices, amirite?

danc4498,

More like supreme cunts. Are we right?

Saneless,

Maybe that’s what you’d call corrupt, partisan, bribe-ridden anti American pieces of shit… Guess I’d call them that too

schroedingershat,

There was also that time JFK and his brother tried to end the anti-science, anti-solar-thermal misinformation campaign funded by GE with actor Ronald Reagan as its face in 1962.

That worked out super well.

conditional_soup,

Good lord. Is there anything Reagan didn’t fuck up?

Poob,

Well he managed to die

schroedingershat,

I can’t think of anything off hand.

LibertyLizard, to climate in The chopped steak eaters | The people who profit from climate destruction have names and faces. Last month, they all ate chopped steak.
@LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net avatar

These people should be tracked and publicly shamed everywhere they go. This will not stop until these people are made as miserable by their own actions as the rest of us are.

Sanctus, to climate in The chopped steak eaters | The people who profit from climate destruction have names and faces. Last month, they all ate chopped steak.
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

They do have faces, and names. You know what else they have? Primary addresses.

ininewcrow, (edited ) to climate in Fossil fuel lobbyists pour into COP28 | The world's most important climate conference is a veritable who's who of polluter-funded climate delay.
@ininewcrow@lemmy.ca avatar

This is what happened to plastics recycling.

It’s taken over by industry who then control the narrative, continue business as usual and no one complains.

Except this time, we’re all going to slowly go extinct as our world destroys us

Yepthatsme, to climate in How Vivek Ramaswamy makes money from climate denial

Another “billionaire” who probably could use a steel toe to the teeth.

itsgroundhogdayagain, to climate in Democrats ask DOJ to investigate Big Oil | Here's what to know, and why it's important.

Better hope Joe gets re-elected or this will be short lived.

homesweethomeMrL, to climate in The chopped steak eaters | The people who profit from climate destruction have names and faces. Last month, they all ate chopped steak.

There’s a detail I keep coming back to from Donald Trump’s recent fundraising dinner with oil executives, during which he reportedly asked them for $1 billion in campaign donations in exchange for repealing all of the Biden administration’s climate policies.

Surrounded by opulence, wearing fancy suits and discussing a Thanos-level mass extinction plan, the oil executives were eating… chopped steak.

Chopped steak is literally just breadcrumb-less meatloaf. It is, as I understand it, a shaped mound of ground sirloin usually topped with brown gravy. I don’t mean to knock the dish in general; I’m sure it can be good. I just feel like, if I were proposing a literal billion dollar “deal” in exchange for my aid in destroying a livable climate for all future generations, I’d at least serve an aged rib eye or something.

Enkers,

He probably had to promise a free steak dinner to at least get them out there, but his finances are in such a bad situation that he went with the cheapest thing that wasn’t a complete lie.

Peppycito,

No, you’re right, it was probably canned steak. I was thinking opulence, forgetting we’re dealing with Trump.

Peppycito,

It probably was aged rib eye, just served as chopped steak. Probably some super high end wagu shit. And ketchup on the side.

Mouselemming,

Nah it was hamburgers served without buns and labeled as “steak” because lies mean nothing to Trump, and chiseling people is his standard grift. If his other supporters found out they’d call it “smart”

Naja_Kaouthia, to climate in Don’t fall for “climate-friendly” beef | New FOIA documents give insight into the secretive, industry-funded science behind the much-hyped product.
@Naja_Kaouthia@lemmy.world avatar

Lately, the packages of Impossible have been about the same price as ground beef so I’ve been buying that and no one in the house seems to have caught on yet.

chuckleslord,

Impossible is so fucking good, it’s honestly incredible.

downpunxx, to climate in Don’t fall for “climate-friendly” beef | New FOIA documents give insight into the secretive, industry-funded science behind the much-hyped product.

Beef tastes great, Petroleum products on the other hand, do not, go after oil, leave my steaks alone, great, tnx, bi

exocrinous,

I’ll leave your steaks alone if you leave the cows alone. I’m sure we can all get along without any sort of violence, harsh words, or forcing our preferences onto others.

silence7,

Unfortunately, it’s going to take both. Methane from cattle is a big enough deal that it matters.

vividspecter,

And also that it’s absurdly inefficient in terms of CO2 emissions to grow crops just to feed these animals, rather than eat the crops directly.

jeffw, (edited )

nOt AlL oF tHaT lAnD iS sUiTaBlE fOr HuMaN fOoD

Because god forbid we eat soy or something ig?

downpunxx,

so says you, i say, we go after the fossil fuels, then the chemical product polluters and THEN see where we are with the methane. 14.5% of all emissions isn't nothing, but it aint the other 85.5% i say we tackle first. *** pirouette, and scene***

vividspecter,

Methane is worse in the short to medium term, so if anything we should be hitting it first. But as the other commenter suggested, it needs to be a full court press of tackling agriculture, electricity, manufacturing, transport, and efficiency all at once if he want to prevent even more severe damage to climate.

silence7, (edited )

We should be tackling all of it. At once. Not picking and choosing. Because we need to get to zero. Fast.

JackGreenEarth,

Being climate friendly is not the main reason to not inflict suffering on cows, having a moral compass is.

iiGxC,

When you get used to opressing others, justice feels like you’re being oppressed. Leave the cows the fuck alone, you ever heard of “live and let live”?

hanrahan, to climate in Behind the billionaire climate tax | One economist explains why taxing the rich and paying the poor actually has a chance of becoming a reality.
@hanrahan@slrpnk.net avatar

Not sure what this has to do with climate change aside from potentially make it worse ? Seems it would increase emsisions and GDP as “the poor” will spend it.

We need to all emit like the poor do now. I’d suggest instead they spend it on good quality free PT and AT (cycling infrastructure etc) so the poor don’t need a car for example, immensely improving their lives and lowering emissions, pollution and heath care costs…

With less roads and parking they can infill with smaller, well insulated cheaper medium density housing, and trees and bushes, making many homes cheaper to live in as they don’t need as much energy, this immensely improves the lives of the poor and reduces emsisions.

Giving “poor people” more money within the orthodox neo-liberal shit show will make anything climate or enviormentally adjacent worse. Taking it alll off the rich will help in spades but this is tokenism that won’t help with emissions or biodiversity loss or plastic use etc.

That asdie, The Australian Green party went into the last federal election with a policy to tax the very wealthy much more but voters soundly rejected such policies, 75% voted againt it. I voted in the minority for it.

PhlubbaDubba, to climate in Behind the billionaire climate tax | One economist explains why taxing the rich and paying the poor actually has a chance of becoming a reality.

I believe someone suggested loans collateralized on stock and other such speculative assets be taxed as realized gains, which should go a long way to stop the absolutely mindbogglingly obscene displays of mega wealth we’ve been seeing as of late.

As for income, there should be nominal brackets established at the 20th, 40th, 60th, 80th, 95th, and 99th percentiles of income for a given year, with 20th, 40th, and 60th percentile income taxed at the percent of national wealth each of those brackets owns, income in the 80th and 95th brackets being taxed at twice their respective shares of the national wealth, and income above the 99th income being taxed at three times their share of the national wealth. Then have a half a percent multiplier for every multiple of twenty times the median income of the 0-20 percentile bracket an income crosses.

Doesn’t just tax the rich, it directly incentivizes them to spread the wealth to lighten the crunch on their top dollar. The rich literally can get their own tax cuts by not hoarding wealth.

grue,

That tax structure is a really neat idea!

alcoholicorn, to climate in Behind the billionaire climate tax | One economist explains why taxing the rich and paying the poor actually has a chance of becoming a reality.

Paywalled

silence7,

Sorry, some things just are.

alcoholicorn,

Would you post the text here so we can read and comment on it?

I’m gonna guess it’s saying it’s in billionaire’s long term interest in maintaining power to accept a tax.

Sunjo, to climate in Nobel Prize-winning economist calls for climate tax on billionaires | And she called for the money to be sent directly to the world's most climate-vulnerable people.

This is our moral debt

Lots of good points from Duflo. Hopefully this gets more attention and discussion at the next G20 summit.

Gorgritch_umie_killa, to climate in Nobel Prize-winning economist calls for climate tax on billionaires | And she called for the money to be sent directly to the world's most climate-vulnerable people.
@Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone avatar

the very fact that it’s been presented to these people and that nobody thinks it’s crazy is a good first step.

Duflo’s right, that is a step change. Its not enough, but it is notable.

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