It's weird - in all the years that I've been seeing and hearing this stuff about this "war on Christmas," the one thing I've never seen or even heard of is anybody actually being punished in any way for saying "Merry Christmas."
Well of course, because for all intents and purposes nobody is going to care if you tell them Merry Christmas instead of Happy Holidays, because everyone understands the intent.
The only people who think there's a war on Christmas also think not being allowed to enforce their theocracy means they're being oppressed.
Read… instructions? I love teaching people that git very often prints out what you should do next.
git: “to continue, resolve conflicts, add files, and run rebase —continue”
dev: …time to search stack overflow
All that said… just use lazygit. It does help to know CLI git first to put things in context, but if you do, no need to punish yourself every day by not using a UI.
Yeah, that was fairly unclear, which is why you’re original comment has so many downvotes. Even this response is hard to parse. It sounds like you’re saying intolerance of the intolerant is fine, since they cancel out. Which is, yeah, that’s the sentiment.
Nope, I responded to the obvious commonly interpreted flippantly dismissive subtext to your comment. Or do you think all those downvotes were because people disagree with the concept of the Paradox of Tolerance?
Big shout out to the corrupt ass Ohio GOP, we wouldn’t have had this record breaking August turn out with out your shady ass tactics. See you bitches in November! 🖕
I dunno - isn’t it the right always complaining about mainstream news that is often as supported & rarely keep hosts that the main stream audience or advertisers get upset over & are willing to give quality news for free in exchange, think NPR, PBS & even CNN during trump before it went to pot & they tried their CNN+ bs.
Oddly I think CNN did well or better BEFORE they got greedy & attempted a Fox News by trying to overly pay wall their news.
It’s usually the right wing that tries to overcharge for their horrible infotainment. And it’s mostly the extreme right that does a mixture of pay for & free. Imo it’s the
Middle & left (that’s often still middle in context globally, that offers quality news at reasonable rates or for free as it’s more of an ethical service to them than a money grab. Not saying there isn’t or can’t be greedy left leaning orgs, CNN today imo, but they’re less common & less popular. They don’t reach Fox News or Newsmax level insanity imo.
To me it seems like the 2000s and 2010s when all those companies got massive and laid off middle management. Then those short sighted assholes got jobs elsewhere and poisoned those ponds.
No one is arguing a little genocide is good. They’re arguing that a lot of genocide is clearly worse. This seems obvious, but I’m constantly surprised how fucking stupid people are.
That's not an option, there are only two buttons and they're labeled Genocide- or Genocide+ which one do you push? Be honest, you can't relabel the buttons by smashing them with a hammer so which one do you push?
In terms of this meme, the button is "Convince Democrats to stop supporting a genocide."
In the real world, there are only 2 possible things that will do that. Money and shitty poll numbers.
I don't have 20 million dollars to pay off Biden, so I guess I will just need to make his poll numbers shitty and hope it forces the Democrat party to find a clue.
No genocide is the correct amount of genocide, yes.
Now that we've established that, in the case where you have exactly 2 possible outcomes, one where x people die, and one where y people die, where y is at least an order of magnitude larger than x, and you can, as I said, have one of those two outcomes and no other, which outcome do you prefer?
Dodging the question in any way will demonstrate your fundamental unseriousness, so consider carefully before you answer.
Your hands aren't clean in that world, dude. Deciding not to act is also a choice. You decided to let things move towards more genocide, and so you have all of the blood on your hands that I do for the world with a second term of biden, plus all of the additional blood of the second term of trump that you're enabling.
I'm sure you'll be able to justify it to yourself, though.
So, I think I'm probably wasting my time with this, but I would like you to consider a hypothetical possibility that other people have different morals to you, rather than no morals.
So, it seems like you're coming at morals from a place of deontology, where things are moral or not based on whether they follow a specified set of rules, regardless of outcomes.
Personally, I'm a consequentialist. What matters is not the specific action, as much as the outcomes of that action. Which is to say, given the trolley problem, I pull the lever so that one person dies instead of five, whereas you seem likely to leave the lever alone, because that would be killing someone, regardless of whether more people die of your inaction. You seem to see that inaction as a kind of neutral position, whereas I view it as an action, the action of standing by when you could have helped.
I would rather live in a world where fewer people die, than one in which more people die. You would, to the best of my ability to discern, rather live in a world where you can claim a clear conscience, because you were just following your rules and refraining from actions.
I think that both of us regard the other's position as questionable at best and repugnant at worst, and it's not obvious to me if that gap can be bridged.
Except no activism you’ve done has been to convince anyone here that there’s a chance democrats are in trouble for supporting genocide
Yall seem really concerned about reassuring each other that you’ll vote for Biden, but little effort convincing anyone that Biden might lose because of this.
Oh yeah *just *convince the Democrats. Sure thing, I’ll have it done by Tuesday. Honestly I feel stupid for not thinking of just convincing them. Why has no one tried this before? /S
I don’t want to stop anyone voting against Trump, I just think centrists are expecting an awful lot from a constituency that historically underperformed when enthusiasm is low (spoiler: it’s never been this low)
They are not stupid; they are deliberately misunderstanding.
I feel a little bit silly even trying to “explain” this like there will be anyone who’s informed by it, but no one here is pro genocide. I would be surprised if you could find 5 people on Lemmy ever who said that genocide is good if done by Democrats, or at any other time.
Here is where to find a protest; go there and meet some new friends, do what you can to stop the genocide. How to do it, I don’t really know, but posting on Lemmy about not voting for Biden will not accomplish it for a couple of different reasons.
Go ahead, pressure the lesser evil to be even less evil, but you still have to vote for said lesser evil, or you’re gonna be stuck with the massively bigger evil and no human rights.
How many people do you think will vote for even a lesser evil? Go ahead and direct your effort into reinforcing that decision to me but unless you convince the millions of other people who don’t share your concern for trump we’ll all be stuck with the massively bigger evil and no human rights.
Please enlighten me on how this is a boy who cried wolf situation? Trump has materially done many, many, many things that would individually be disasterous
Are you seriously arguing that he’s not really all that bad, or are you just here to troll?
In the end, a wolf actually does come and eat the boy. The wolf is real, the boy just abused his post too much and now he can’t rely on people responding to his cried.
the lesson was supposed to be ‘don’t cry wolf’, but we’ve already moved on to the ‘he’s just crying wolf’ part of the story and now the boy has to figure out how to get people to help him
The story had nothing to say about the rationality of ignoring the warning, just that it was foolish for the boy to abuse it.
You can either cross your fingers that enough people still believe you or find another way to bring them out (convince the boy to stop supporting… the… the other wolf I guess? Idk this analogy is getting tired)
I’m pushing to make the lesser evil less evil. You’re pushing for people to hold their nose and vote for the lesser evil without even demanding they try being a little less evil.
Then your choices are reduced to “Allow politicians to know that your ‘demands’ mean nothing because they have no consequences” or “Let the fascist win”.
By the way, really loving the “LOL let’s just wing it” attitude towards the potential murder of millions more people. Makes me feel real warm and fuzzy inside to know that the pro-minority attitude of the online left isn’t even deep enough to be performative.
Don’t bother fighting with that cunt, he’s one of those liberals that loves genocide and wants people to shut up and support it. No amount of talk could convince him to stop supporting genocide or attacking people who don’t want to
“Makes me feel real warm and fuzzy inside to know that the pro-minority attitude of the online left isn’t even deep enough to be performative.” very funny bullshit coming from someone who’s so “pro-minority” he would go all out to defend the mass murder of Palestinians and shut down any attempt to protest it
He hates Palestinian children having the freedom to not starve and not get bombed. He can’t shut up about how people critical of the genocide need to shut up and stop supporting trump (bc there’s truly nothing more trump-ish than opposing genocide)
Idk, It’s a little more fun when he’s the subject of the chastising than it is seeing all his crocodile tears in my homepage for minorities while he’s defending an actual genocide.
You’re eating genocide either way, unless you have a fucking miracle candidate up your sleeve you’ve been hiding 'til now. The difference is, you’ve chosen the “All Trump Can Eat” genocide buffet.
Biden isn’t a realistic candidate if he doesn’t shift on Palestine.
How convenient, Biden isn’t a realistic candidate if he doesn’t shift his position on YOUR issue of choice. Meanwhile, most of the American electorate puts foreign policy near the bottom of their list of concerns.
He’s been polling below Trump for over a year. He suffers a 12 point polling error spread.
Oh, and he’ll gain 12 points from swapping positions on Palestine?
You’ve catalyzed a huge cohort of people against your position and approach. Do you see how many people are becoming activated and joining the conversation just to strike you down? This is because of your approach to rhetoric. You are actively costing Biden votes, like… right now.
You can’t do this by convincing people to vote for the lessor. If you want the audience to vote for Biden, you have to take a different approach
You’ve catalyzed a huge cohort of people against your position and approach. Do you see how many people are becoming activated and joining the conversation just to strike you down?
LMAO he’s clearly getting more and more upvotes. While you’re getting downvoted and removed. You’re so delusional.
Keep it up though, you’re doing a great job of the exact opposite of what you think you’re doing.
You’ve catalyzed a huge cohort of people against your position and approach. Do you see how many people are becoming activated and joining the conversation just to strike you down?
Oh damn, you’ve got me, let me check the ratios along these comments
Still waiting for you to tell me how Palestine will win Biden 12 percentage points, in your view.
So if I present to you evidence that voting uncommitted in the primary isn’t evidence of intent to withhold their vote in the general, you’ll withdraw your position?
Still waiting for you to tell me how he’s going to gain 12 percentage points from an issue that is one of the lowest rated on voter’s important issues.
Bro 30% of voters in MN, one of the most reliably democratic states in the country held their votes back from Biden because of Palestine.
If Biden doesn’t get WI, MN, IL and MN, he’s done. 0 chance. He can’t get those states right now. The only question is what is it going to take to get him to move policy positions, and what is showing effectiveness in this regard is withholding support.
Fighting the good fight against accelerationism, authoritarianism, and bad faith. I don’t have the emotional energy to do so with any consistency at this time - the 21st century has been very draining. Make sure that you take time for self-care. @pugjesus you too.
FYI: I voted uncommitted to send a message to Biden that I care about Gaza and what happens there. I also recognize that the Republicans will jump in with both feet on "burn it to the ground with nuclear fire", so I did what I could to communicate with Biden, and will also be voting for him in the general. I'm one vote, but I know I'm not the only person with that view.
Who's the alternative candidate with a reasonable shot at winning that has a policy that is more beneficial for Palestinians than Biden?
Don't say something stupid like "polling less than 1% for the 5th time Jill Stein" or "I'm not even sure which party I'm the candidate for but I need to sell some more books Cornell West".
It's not a refutation, its a question expressed with skepticism.
Regardless I don't think anyone is interested in explaining their path to the required 270 electoral college votes, but if you are I'm interested in hearing it.
Okay, that's not really how politics works at all any where in the world. I guess having such a simplistic and idealistic view of how politics works is what led you to the conclusion that any of the 3rd party candidates had a shot at getting elected.
We only have to eat genocide if we choose not to send the food back
What was your plan to send the food back and ensure that the genocide buffet wasn’t returned in response, again? Was it “We’re going to say ‘no’ very firmly despite 48 of the 100 people at this table eagerly voting for the genocide buffet”?
Frankly i’m hoping the chef cares enough about that possibility that he serves up something different
Pretty big hope to lay on a chef who knows that a little genocide is already popular with a significant portion of the 52 other people on the table.
Pretty long odds to make on the lives of millions of people.
I really think it’s the customers basic obligation to at least say ‘whatever the chef recommends BUT ABSOLUTELY NO GENOCIDE’
We absolutely should say that. But when the chef comes out, and if it’s a genocide sandwich, and the only other option if we send it back is that the chef opens up the genocide buffet for the the 48 customers at the table drooling at the prospect…
You have to know when to bite the bullet.
If you’re not at least saying that idk what to tell you, you’re probably gonna get genocide
Man, I’m sittin’ here saying that Israel is committing one of the greatest crimes of the 21st century. I’ve called it a genocide, I’ve said even passive support of it is a stain on America’s collective soul, I’ve advocating for boycotts, removal of ALL aid, just about everything short of a no-fly zone over the AO - and fucking honestly, if the ongoing conflict in Ukraine wasn’t a current concern, I’d be advocating for that too.
But when it comes down to it, if my choices are ‘less genocide’ or ‘more genocide’, I’m not going to tell anyone voting for ‘more genocide’ that their choice is OK and I understand and forgive them for sending me and my loved ones to the camps. Like, maybe if it was a question of “It’s you and your’s, or me and mine”, I could understand and forgive that, but it’s not. Trump’s genocide here and in Ukraine will not alleviate the Palestinian genocide; he will, in fact, intensify it. There’s no excuse. And I’m not going to pretend there is.
Man, I’m sittin’ here saying that Israel is committing one of the greatest crimes of the 21st century. I’ve called it a genocide, I’ve said even passive support of it is a stain on America’s collective soul, I’ve advocating for boycotts, removal of ALL aid, just about everything short of a no-fly zone over the AO - and fucking honestly, if the ongoing conflict in Ukraine wasn’t a current concern, I’d be advocating for that too.
and then you’re saying “but i’ll fucking DEVOUR that genocide if you serve it up to me anyway, and i’ll get all my friends to commit to eating it too”
But when it comes down to it
Woops, you’ve already accepted defeat to genocide there. Even your performative outrage isn’t all that strong, if you’re eager to move past the choice Biden has to not serve it to you.
and then you’re saying “but i’ll fucking DEVOUR that genocide if you serve it up to me anyway, and i’ll get all my friends to commit to eating it too”
Because the alternative is the genocide buffet. Have you already forgotten that?
Woops, you’ve already accepted defeat to genocide there. Even your performative outrage isn’t all that strong, if you’re eager to move past the choice Biden has to not serve it to you.
Cool, instead the backup chef comes out. It’s Trump. Genocide buffet, including the sandwich we rejected. So glad that we’ve made things worse for no gain. Great job, us. Maybe a little circlejerk before we’re taken out and executed will lift our spirits.
Then let’s fucking storm the kitchen then? idk why you’re so eager to dismiss doing literally anything else before being made to eat the genocide. All i’m doing is screaming “I DON’T WANT TO EAT GENOCIDE! LET’S GET HIM TO CHANGE THE MENU A BIT”, and you’re like ‘lol nah man, you’re embarrassing yourself, better to just get everyone to calm down and get ready to eat it’
Obviously you don’t have to answer, but if you are not ready to do that, or you think that it will end in failure, then harm reduction is the only moral choice.
If you’re ready to fight and die for a better world, if you think peace has run its course, if you think only political violence can resolve the issue and that the resulting death toll will be less horrific than the currently proposed one, then by all means. But if you are not ready - if you think the polity is not ready, if you think there are other, preferable routes to explore, if you think the death and suffering will be worse than either of the current options - you must sit down and bite the bullet.
I’m not of the opinion that a long and bloody civil war which has a high chance of resulting in one or several fascist states in the former USA arising while our allies themselves struggle with emerging far-right movements inspired by the violence in the USA and the provocation of far-right states in the world is worth me expressing moral disgust with support of a genocidal state at this point in time. The calculus of suffering there is horrendously lopsided, and not in favor of starting a civil war. If it’s Biden, complete with support of a genocide, or civil war, I pick Biden as the choice which causes the least human suffering.
Maybe you should advocate that Biden not refuse that demand.
It would be great if Biden changed his view. I hope that the changing views of the American electorate on Israel and the protests relevant to that change pressure him into doing so.
But when you say “Well, it’s actually completely okay if you decide that allowing fascism is the better choice if Biden doesn’t change his mind😊”, what you’re saying is “I don’t give a fuck how many Palestinians OR American minorities die, and I don’t care if I ever get a say in governance again.”
Oh yes, just the other day I was offered a trip to the White House to discuss my policy positions with Biden, and I stood up on my one good leg, and firmly said “NO! I will NOT go and take my criticism to BIDEN HIMSELF! If he wants to hear my criticism of him, he can log into Lemmy like everyone else!”
and expect voters to just accept genocide.
No, actually, I expect voters to vote against “more genocide”, something that seems extremely controversial to people who want MORE genocide, for reasons that Definitely Make Sense From A Left-Wing Perspective. I guess more dead minorities is… left praxis…?
Voters aren’t going to move their position on this.
Oh, voters aren’t going to change from desiring more genocide? Makes sense, considering how stubborn you are on insisting that as many minorities be killed as possible.
I mean you are the one arguing in favor of genocide bro, not me.
I’m making the argument that we take our issues up with the politicians who are trying to curry our favor, and withold our support so that they take on policy positions that enjoy more widespread approval, thus increasing their chances of getting elected.
You are the one arguing that we shouldn’t bring our criticisms forwards and instead should suffer the deeply unpopular policy positions these politicians have taken. The issue is that is a guaranteed L for Biden. By supporting a politician with bad policies, you are setting them up to lose the election. He can’t win if he continues supporting this genocide. He has to shift his position, and the only leverage we have right now is to withhold our support.
I mean you are the one arguing in favor of genocide bro, not me.
Oh, okay, so now you agree that it is necessary that Biden is elected, and that playing games with “It’s actually completely okay that you’re voting third-party, I’m so proud of you 😊” games is actually dumb as shit. Glad we’re in agreement now, shame it took you so long to come around.
You are the one arguing that we shouldn’t bring our criticisms forwards
When did I say that? Feel free to quote me.
By supporting a politician with bad policies, you are setting them up to lose the election. He can’t win if he continues supporting this genocide. He has to shift his position, and the only leverage we have right now is to withhold our support.
Ah, yes, the only way we can ensure Biden WINS the election is by doing everything we can to ensure Biden LOSES the election. Fucking brilliant. Next we’ll play chicken on the railroad tracks.
The lemmy propaganda army has shifted their strategy. Now we’re hurting Biden’s chances by not letting them freely spread bad faith bullshit without any pushback.
Yes, we DO need to vote for Joe Biden. Sorry that you don’t find the prospect of murdered American minorities to be important enough to justify [checks notes] the extremely arduous task of checking a box on a ballot.
It’s funny, considering you’re a constant presence on the “ACTUALLY YOU SHOULDN’T VOTE FOR BIDEN” threads. One might even be skeptical of such a claim. :)
Politicalmemes will be where the party is when Netanyahu’s genocide is complete.
Oh, of course, that’s why popular opinion here is so pro-Israel. Silly me.
That’s not what I meant, but I guess if you want to play obtuse to avoid the fact that US jets (ie jets owned, not ‘manufactured’ by the US) running sorties on Palestine would be a great help to the Israelis and their quest for genocide and an escalation of US involvement in this atrocity, it’s your choice. If you would prefer to play dumb and assure everyone, once the dead are tallied up, that you were only PRETENDING to not understand the murderous consequences of your action and inaction, that’s up to you.
It really is hard to put Republican assholery on a scale of “worst in our lifetime”.
GWB got us in multiple multiple decade long wars.
Mitt Romney or Dick Cheney might have turned the great recession into another great depression.
Trump nearly got us into another full blown recession, got rid of Roe V Wade, tried to overturn Democracy, and nearly got us into a war with Iran.
Trump this time around will try to overturn Democracy again, might bring back the full blown recession we almost had, will let Russia steamroll Ukraine, will support Israel harder than any US president, etc. etc.
But it’s fearmongering, and you AREN’T going to scare THESE ubermensch with your dastardly threats of “Literally what the opposition has promised to do”! That’s what WEAK people fall for.
It goes back before that, when Boothe killed Lincoln and reconstruction failed and we let the south keep southing it got fucked.
Nixon recognized it and used it to get elected, and Reagan got the economy fucking us, and Bush 2 profited from starting wars on surpluses from the previous administration. Then trump wasted Obama’s hard work on the economy with tax cuts and shit handling of a pandemic.
Oh, I completely agree. Republicans have consistently gotten worse. At the same time, so has literally every Democrat since Carter. Every Democratic president since Clinton has moved to the right. For example: Obamacare? More like exactly what Reagan proposed to “fix” the insurance industry. And people forget that Biden was the “moderate” to pull that crazy “leftist Obama” back towards the “center”. And now Biden is called a crazy leftist. So now we have 2 right-wing choices. One that thinks capitalism fixes everything, supports genocide because it’s profitable, and says “but we like queer people (as long as they have money and don’t ask for anything)”. The other is a literal fascist. The fact is that either party is good for big business and bad for everyone else.
It’s a bit reductionist to boil Obama down to the shit implementation of Obamacare that the GOP killed in the womb. I encourage you to read on it. TL;DR, it was gonna be pretty good, but the GOP threw a fit that it was going to be a win for Dems and tanked it. You’re also leaving out the fact that Obama expanded gay rights and got talking about climate change on a policy level. Should both of those things happened sooner? Yes, but that’s letting perfect be the enemy of good.
Biden isn’t amazing and honestly, I don’t care for him much. However, I doubt he letting the genocide in Gaza happen for profits. With the Dem’s own party, Israel is a divisive issue and I’m sure he’s having to tread carefully so it doesn’t shoot in the foot later because politicians are scummy petty people
"The conservative majority appeared sympathetic to arguments by the city of Grants Pass, Ore., that homelessness is a complicated issue best handled by local lawmakers and communities, not judges. The liberal justices strongly resisted that notion."
They can't even wait a little bit between disingenuous shifts in their rhetoric.
They always actively contradict themselves.
To be fair, Democrats aren't much better these days.
It's all lies and contradicting themselves in a contorted dance to get more money.
That's why 41% of people in American are currently registered as Independent, 28% Republican, and 28% Democrat.
2 partiers are are the massive minority, but Americans are still accepting that our only choices are Red or Blue.
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