The only reason I still even use Windows is because of destiny 2. That’s pretty much the only game I play. If there was a good stable way of doing this on Linux I wouldn’t even use Windows at all.
In fact the only computer in my house that even has windows on it is my gaming rig.
Same here but with several games that don’t run on Linux. For some degree, I even understand the problem, however painful it is: ANY multilayer’s anticheat is a pain in the ass if you have to develop them for two OSs at the same time. Counter Strike: Source was virtually unbannable on Linux for way too long, and I’m still not sure where CS2 is standing now (I stopped back in the CSGO times).
I really don’t know how we could fix this, and no, cutting off THAT many games I like is not an option (some of them even barely have a (good) alternative - think of Rocket League).
Probably a fair share. The hardware requirements aren’t unreasonably high but a lot of people (like myself) are running hardware that is 10+ years old because why not? Still works fine, if you don’t need that much power.
Not that I’d run Win 11 anyways. Tried it, was a pretty but nonfunctional mess, downgraded to 10 at first and upgraded to Linux later.
It’s so wild how Windows boasts about backwards compatibility but doesn’t support hardware from 2010. It’s literally a fully functional 64 bit system but it doesn’t have SecureBoot so it won’t let me install 11.
That is because they are still required to improve their software, and that means sometimes cutting off a part of their support. Especially when it comes to security.
But hey, support for hardware that is 10 years old is unfortunately still way ahead of the competition, Mac can’t hold a candle.
And you could still bypass the TPM requirement with some elbow grease.
Well, it‘s software bloatbackward compatibility, not for hardware.
And to be fair, that actually works quite well. Had a 20 y/o negative scanner driver that I could install relatively easily on windows 10. The first party macOS driver stopped working more than a decade ago (needs PowerPC compatibility) and the only modern third party driver software that gets it to work on Win, Mac and Linux costs 100€.
They absolutely are unreasonably high. My barely overclocked 6700K is sufficient for virtually every new or slightly older game I throw at it, but somehow it’s not enough for the OS?
It’s absolutely supported if you have SucureBoot and TPM 2.0 support. Sure, it’s not on the official support list but that’s probably because those features weren’t standard yet in that generation and it’s not tested and verified. It’ll still work fine though.
Also, performance is not everything. Support for certain instruction sets is usually the problem, when newer operating systems drop support for older chips. Of course that’s not it in this case, Skylake and Coffeelake are essentially identical and the latter does have official support.
It’s not about the speed - the minimum requirements for Win 11 are a 1Ghz dual-core processor and 4GB of RAM- it’s because of the processor generation. Not sure if there’s been an official explanation, but the going consensus is that they aren’t going to officially support almost anything that is susceptible to Meltdown or Spectre.
That doesn’t mean Win 11 doesn’t work or couldn’t be installed on that hardware, they just don’t officially support it.
There are already precedents of software (the Riot games) and the OS itself refusing to work if the requirements are bypassed, so it’s a very risky move that nobody should choose for their main OS.
SSE4.2 specifically, POPCNT is part of that. It was introduced in 2008, while the previous requirement for Win 10, Win 8, and in Win 7 after a 2018 update has been SSE2 from 2000. So Windows 11 bumps the oldest hardware requirement from 18 years up when introduces to 16/17 years.
FWIW, I believe from Linux Mint 20 onward it doesn’t have 32-bit builds so it isn’t compatible with processors that don’t support x86-64, and the first Intel processor to support that is from 2004.
Mine can run it but requires reinstalling my entire OS because something in the bios wasn’t enabled before it was installed. I mean…okay that’s certainly a design choice but I’m 100% not doing that
Likely the TPM chip. It is required for Windows Hello, Bitlocker, and a few other things to enhance security. Works much like a RSA token, if the code from the chip doesn’t match the code on the hard drive it assumes tampering and will lock entry. The encrypted drive (Bitlocker) or the OS will require the Bitlocker recovery key to boot the OS (Decrypt the drive) and the password instead of the Face ID/ PIN/fingerprint you used to make access quicker. Most devices didn’t have TPM 2.0 till recently, which is the version used by Windows 11 I believe.
If you don’t encrypt said drive or attach the Microsoft accounts as they recommend anyone can grab the drive, reset the account password or just pull all your files from the drive from another OS. It’s all forced security because the views/legal responsibility keeps looking at the companies to produce the products and blaming them for not securing their users instead of the users securing themselves.
I don’t think it would matter what it was, I’m not doing an entire OS reinstall to “upgrade” to an inferior experience. If it can’t apply the update itself, it’s not going on until it absolutely has to, and even then it’s looking more likely to be Linux next boot install.
It doesn’t give me any details but tbh I’m in no rush to diagnose it. If it means it won’t ever try to auto update itself I’m in the best position I can be
This is honestly such a pile of shit from Microsoft. Right…. Grandma is going to resize her partitions with those ridiculously cryptic instructions. She’s totally going to figure out which partition we’re talking about, she’s totally going to open a command line interface as admin, heck she totally even knows to find those instructions. Its hard enough for people to distinguish between “ya that’s windows update, click that button” vs “no that’s a phishing attack, never click that button”
Now the rest of us who know what we’re doing have to fix everyone’s PCs in the family. Keep pushing everyone to iPads and Linux Microsoft…
It seems that permanent obsolescence is beginning to cost too much for the users. I hope they will all keep dragging their feet, but will be a tough fight because friendly providers of professional tools will keep releasing the new versions only for Windows 11, eventually they will force some to upgrade.
Does your office have a choice or have they been caught in the permanent obsolescence game? Often one single professional app that provides new versions only for W11 does the trick.
We’re a Microsoft shop, so we’ve been flies caught in the ointment since day one. I wish it was one app. We’re all in - Teams, Office, Visual Studio, Outlook, the works.
I’d say I don’t really understand the rush, but we were supposed to be live with Win11 last year. I guess in this particular case, my office’s dysfunction has worked in my favor.
We’re also largely a Microsoft shop (Teams, Office, Outlook, Github, etc), but our department uses macOS, mostly because our IT is stubborn about locking down our systems and the easiest way to get an exception is to say we “need” macOS, otherwise we’d probably be on Windows. Honestly, if my company used Windows, I wouldn’t be working there, I hate Visual Studio (I use ViM), and my entire workflow just doesn’t work on Windows (I use Linux at home). I honestly can’t remember the last time I booted Windows.
Maybe there’s not much you can do, which sucks. But if your entire team doesn’t like Windows 11, perhaps you can look into an exception by saying you need something else. Most Microsoft stuff works fine on macOS, so find some killer feature of macOS that your team totally needs and maybe you can get an exception. That would be a lot easier than convincing them you need to stay on Win10 since WIn10 well stop getting support at some point, so paying for the longer-term support probably isn’t worth it for your company.
It’s better than being stuck on a version of windows that slowly drifts further away from the last security update it recived. I wonder how many companies out there don’t pay for support but don’t upgrade.
I started dual booting to Arch Linux and more often than not I boot more now into Linux than Windows 11. I’ve used Windows since 3.11. Microsoft really have fucked Windows recently.
Windows updates used to be seen as upgrades. I remember getting Win95 to run on my 386 with 8MB of RAM (which my buddy said wouldn’t be able to handle it). I was so stoked to have it working because 95 had so many improvements over 3.1. Of course each release had its issues but after some service packs they were usually pretty good.
Maybe it started with Windows ME, but it definitely was in full effect by Vista, where new releases became downgrades. XP was the last great version, when I had to move on from that everything started getting much worse UX-wise.
You pay a subscription for support, kind of like with RedHat or SUSE. Or with Office 365, if you want something more consumer-oriented.
There wouldn’t be major releases of the OS, just continual improvements as long as you keep paying. So instead of paying $100-150 every 5 years or whatever, you’d pay $20-50 every year.
For the user, generally smaller changes and staying up-to-date. It’s why I use a rolling-release Linux distro (openSUSE Tumbleweed) instead of a release-based distro, I don’t like big changes and I like staying up-to-date. I think Windows 10 users were excited to have something similar, where they get the same UX, but with improvements coming in a steady stream instead of periodic major releases.
For the company, a more steady income stream. That’s part of why big, online games like Apex Legends are so popular for big gaming companies, getting a steady income stream is preferable to a bunch of money every game release with nothing between launches. In fact, my company is selling off part of the business because it’s too variable (profitability is based on commodity prices) and focusing on the segments of the business that are more consistent. I’ve heard we’d rather have lower average profit margins than highly variable profit margins.
Same. But if I’m getting value from it, it may be preferable to making larger payments less frequently.
But if you remove the payment aspect from it (i.e. it’s free either way), there are plenty of reasons to prefer a steady stream of updates to an infrequent dump of updates.
So then the steady stream vs dump comes down to cost, would you rather pay $120/year, or $10/month? Some may even prefer the $10/month to a modest discount (e.g. $100/year) if it means avoiding the larger, one-time payment.
Personally, I prefer one-time payments w/ discount and a steady stream of updates.
I totally agree with your last statement. Honestly, I usually pirate or buy keys so I’m not one of those people paying full price for software, but regular updates are preferable.
And the latest macOS has pretty much the same user experience as the original OS X, just with added features and whatnot. They didn’t do a massive overhaul like Windows does every release.
I remember i had to go from xp to 7 back in the day because of their Frameworks such as directx and .net because new games/apps just didn’t launched without new versions of them, i bet they’ll repeat this once more to push everyone. edit: to Linux
yeah i hated that move. XP was so much better than 7. they went really bland, moved all the most useful quick controls, started the process of destroying the control panel… ugh
The issue can be resolved by allocating an additional 250 MB of storage space to the recovery partition. Details on how to do that can be found here.
However, at least on Windows 10, Microsoft has acknowledged that an automatic resolution for this issue will not be released and as such, the only way to fix this is manually.
So there is a solution and the headline should be “Microsoft admits it can’t automatically fix…”
Would you like automatic update to mess with your disk partition allocations without requesting explicit permission to do so? As long as searching the error code would give me the explanation and solution I’m Ok with manual fix this time
Me no, but for most users with only windows installed and not dual booting, having it automatically doing it would probably be fine and bailing out when it detects a more advance configuration such as extra partitions would make sense. Then display a message about manual intervention is required or something.
Letting the installer autonomously adjust the recovery partition may open up vulnerabilities where malicious software can be placed in recovery. I don’t know how accurate that is, but it makes sense to me, and would be why they want it done on a case by case basis as needed and not just a mass fix to all installs whether they need it or not.
That was my thought. I’m not sure if it’s based in science, but I remember being a huge fan of Windows 2000 back in the day, and Microsoft pushed a final service pack that made it highly unstable in 2005, and refused to update/fix it. My theory was that they were trying to push everyone to Windows XP, but I’m prone to thinking the worst of large corporations.
TWO of my laptops were bit by that bug/error. Not one. Two.
But what they offered was not a real solution. I’m an experienced computer user, and still didn’t wanna mess with that “solution”.
This was done just to force people to upgrade to a Win11 (and maybe get a new PC too, if their old one couldn’t run Win11). If not that, then simply, incompetence in general.
One issue is that some people are still on windows 7 installs that were upgraded. Windows 7 had a large enough partition for then, but the upgrade now needs more. Unfortunately 2009 Microsoft didn’t anticipate that this should be bigger for 2023 installs. Making it larger is a hassle I wouldn’t want to code either.
Inb4 microsoft is forced to bring back support for windows 10. Seems nobody believes in innovation anymore since all it means now is AI „helping” you with tasks you could do yourself or ads everywhere you look.
Same shit going on everywhere. I recently fixed my iphone 12 pro because upgrading by three generations literally would get me a usb-c port and an additional fucking button.
I genuinely think Microsoft won’t extend anything for Win10 unfortunately, no matter how many users cling to it. I’d love to be eating my words here, but I think Microsoft would rather pull all the marketing tricks out the book to force everyone into Win11.
They’d get a bunch of support, but I think they know that people would just continue to ride Win10 even longer, than actually spend the extra time upgrading.
I don’t think they’ll extend it, but I’m predicting that there will be some massive bug or security issue found in Windows 10 after its support has ended, and Microsoft will be forced to create an update for it since Windows 10 will retain such high market share.
Not sure why so many companies are so focused on making a miserable user experience these days. I know it’s mainly about appeasing shareholders, but it feels like there should be a few more long-sighted people in the mix who can see this backfire in the end.
I’d love to be eating my words here, but I think Microsoft would rather pull all the marketing tricks out the book to force everyone into Win11.
What confuses me is their weird TPM and whatever else requirements. I have a decent system, but it doesn’t support Windows 11 (thank the gods), so what is their plan for people like me exactly? Like I’m going to replace my motherboard and CPU just to use windows 11? This feels like multiple parts of Microsoft fighting each other.
You will simply have an OS that is no longer supported and will be vulnerable against attacks that hackers withheld until then.
It’s your choice to stay with Microsoft either by accepting an insecure OS or upgrading your hardware, or jump ship to something that isn’t Microsoft (Apple, Linux, ChromeOS, …) depending on your needs and expectations.
Speculation on my part (so was my parent comment to be fair), prior to Windows 11 and even the later major updates to Windows 10, Windows had a horrible rep for physical security. It was well known that if someone stole your computer, all your data is compromised and whoever stole it just needed a YouTube video on various lock screen bypasses.
Microsoft wanted to do something about this, so Windows 11 relies on the TPM so that BitLocker can be enabled, and having the TPM makes it entirely transparent to the user. Enforcing the Microsoft account requirement gives a recovery avenue should something go wrong like the TPM changes.
Unfortunately, they would rather that the image of Win11 is this really secure OS, rather than let users who don’t have a TPM upgrade anyway, which really will just leave more users insecure on Win10 and overall in a much worse spot from a security perspective.
Unfortunately, they would rather that the image of Win11 is this really secure OS
(This is in no way an indictment of what you’ve said here, it is entirely directed at MS.) If that’s their objective, they’ve done an absolutely horrific job of making that clear. I guess part of that is they claim everything they do is for security, so no-one believes them.
Not to mention, I’m pretty sure the vast, vast, vast majority of Windows users aren’t concerned that if their PC gets stolen people can get into it. They’re much more concerned with the lost PC itself.
Either way, they look, frankly, incompetent. The OS is maligned by users, and they’ve stuffed so many embarrassing things like ads in the search bar or whatever, that any illusion of its benefits are lost behind a wall of garbage.
The same thing happened with Windows 7 and XP. People will still with EOL 10 until their current machine dies. A few people might choose to explore other options, but for the average Joe not getting updates seems like a good thing, because the computer will stop rebooting over night or taking several mintss to boot post patch. Of course they don’t think about the security implications, but that is true about most people in most cases.
I have no real reason to upgrade to 11 from 10. My system doesn’t have any hardware that 11 can take advantage of better than 10. At this point I’m just waiting for 11 to finish baking or 12 to roll out. 11 doesn’t natively have a vertical taskbar… like… come’on. Who needs a 32" wide taskbar?
My main monitor is a 27 inch so the task bar is only like 23 inches, but the amount of stuff I have open at any given time has my taskbar 2/3 of the way across my screen. That said, I’ve had mine at the top of the screen ever since my iMac G3 and Windows 11 doesn’t allow that either
I have been running a vertical task bar since Windows XP and have been on KDE as well(like now). The fact it’s not an option for Windows 11(my work laptop) drives me insane.
I’d love to be eating my words here, but I think Microsoft would rather pull all the marketing tricks out the book to force everyone into Win11
Windows is not what Microsoft gains profit from, they clearly say that in their yearly reports for like a decade. They don’t want you to upgrade to Win11, that’s why they set the upgrade requirements. They don’t want to make Windows, they want to sell cloud Linux and other opensource because it brings money and raises stock value. They want you to drop Windows without any lawsuits against them. Preferably gaining some ads money before you do.
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