“OK, my daughter loves Harriet Tubman. Tell me what you got!” she says. I explain our product, how we use historical women to teach girls about their worth and potential. The mother says: “But is it woke? I mean, I don’t want to teach my daughter about woke.”
Yes it does. It means you don’t trust politicians or the system, you reexamine your beliefs and look at it critically.
If you don’t think there’s a fascist threat in our country right now, there’s people who are literally burning “woke” books and firing elected “woke” prosecutors. They’re using the word “woke” fairly correctly without understanding what it means, ironically enough, because “non-woke” is whatever lies the party spreads and “woke” is anything that contradicts that
Right, so give a vague definition then. Give a conditional definiton. Say “woke is when black people are treated like humans and stuff, you know, like when they say marital rape is bad”. They won’t though, because while that is exactly what it means, they also know they can’t say it out loud.
“Woke” is the thing that opposes their horrible and reprehensible ideas, and they know it. Hell, when DeSantis’ lawyer had to define it in court he went with “the belief there are systemic injustices in American society and the need to address them.” It’s weird though, why haven’t conservatives just grasped on to this definition? Because “woke” is a dogwhistle for “someone who isn’t a trash human like me”.
If you want to define “woman”, I can do way better than a vague definition though. Of course, the question itself is in bad faith, but I don’t give a shit. In terms of gender: “A woman is anyone who wants to call themselves a woman and wants to be called a woman by others.”
Just as an aside, I’m of the opinion gender is a stupid concept anyway and we should get rid of it entirely.
There are words that are notoriously difficult to define in such a way that every edge case is covered. For those words we use criteria. Listing off essential attributes and marking the entire list as provisionally sufficient. The Greeks figured this out 25 centuries ago, just a fyi. I know it is hard for conservatives to keep up with modern ideas but 2 and a half millennium should be enough time.
And that's the really insidious part. The teacher is too ignorant of what she is ignorant of. If Harriet Tubman "might be too woke" then how would this women teach the nuance of protests? Of sit ins? Letters from a Birmingham jail? Much less modern protests. Her daughter is going to grow confidently saying things like
"I know all about black history, just not the woke stuff."
I went through California school a little under a decade ago and can tell you that the letters from Birmingham Jail and an at least somewhat decent overview of sit-ins were absolutely part of my standard curriculum
Though I’d bet there are plenty of places in this country where that’s not true
Grew up in Ohio. We touched on it. We definitely ignored the socialism and the condemnation of white moderates and the armed resistance (of that eta) aside from the black panthers who were portrayed with a mixed light much like Nat Turner was. But we were a Catholic school so we did condemn any violence.
I think the big thing is that it varies wildly. My area for example had a lot of focus on white resistance to chattel slavery, and acknowledgement of the reality of precolombian civilization. That’s not because we were woke but because those that was the local history of southern Ohio. We could go visit an Underground Railroad stop or one of the great mounds for a field trip.
Meanwhile in somewhere like Virginia, I would expect a lot more focus on the colonial period and early English settlement. And I think in somewhere like Birmingham or Memphis if they don’t focus on the civil rights era that’s on fucking purpose. And I assume texas is doing their own thing and pretending they didn’t secede from Mexico and the US over slavery.
Uhhhhh. Yes it is? My niece was going over all of that around 3rd grade. And that's about the same time I did, this was all in the PNW. I think your school district just had some major omissions.
Or she’ll learn on her own later. It’s sad, but many do it. The line of thinking of “we used to treat black people in utterly horrific ways” -> “we freed them but took a long time to give them the same rights” -> “they’re still mad and saying that racism still is a systemic problem” -> “why” is a path that many white Americans with intellectual curiosity have tread. Some don’t like the answers because they come with expectations, responsibility, guilt, and shame. Others decide that it doesn’t matter and accept what is learned.
It’s a shame she has to start there, but we have to believe that these indoctrinated children aren’t doomed
“What do you mean, ‘woke’?” I ask. She opens her mouth. Half-words and phrases stumble and tumble around. A few talking points from news sources fall out. Finally, she sighs. “I don’t know. Just tell me again what you write.”
I don't really have a problem with the president saying "I don't personally like abortion, but I still stand by a woman's right to choose". I'm a staunch atheist and I would much rather work with that style of Christian than the ones who want to force others to follow their own insane rules.
It's not a huge deal but why preface it though? All you have to say is "Roe vs Wade was the correct decision and a woman has the right to choose"
I'm "big on abortion" because it's a human right and I like human rights. And it doesn't really matter if a cis man is "big on abortion" because these laws will never affect him and his body. He's just trying to appeal to Christians because Christians control so much of this country 🤮
You can't get elected by being honest, really. The optimal president is one who appeals to the most common middle ground with as many people as possible (single issue voters notwithstanding). He's hoping to acknowledge moderate Christians who, having perfectly valid opinions on abortion, disagreed with overturning major Supreme Court decisions on culture war activists. Moderates are the only people who you can move on the ballot, sadly.
And it doesn't really matter if a cis man is "big on abortion" because these laws will never affect him and his body.
I'm pro-choice but I've heard this and many similar things said and it's such a ridiculous thing to say.
"It doesn't really matter what you think about inhumane treatment for XYZ medical condition because you're not a doctor and you don't have that condition"
"It doesn't matter what you think about banning this important subset of knowledge in K-12 education because you've already aged out"
Believe it or not, things can affect you even if they're not directly happening to you. People don't exist in a vacuum.
Disregarding someone's opinion has never once changed someone's opinion.
"Big on abortion" in this situation means "other women can have abortions but I wouldn't choose to"
But he will never be pregnant and never need an abortion, so of course he will never have to choose to have an abortion. The only people whose opinion matters when someone needs an abortion is the pregnant person and their doctor. Plenty of people who were "not big on abortion" ended up getting an abortion when it affected them.
You are allowed to have an opinion sure, but your opinion is irrelevant when it comes down to the decision because it's a healthcare decision. Do you want to have to take every other person's opinion into account whenever you make a medical decision? I highly doubt you would make the same argument if this applied to your medical decisions.
What if I want to take a medical treatment that doctors and I agree will save my life if you personally think it's inhumane? I should just fuck off and not get a choice despite what doctors and I think are in my best interest? I'm on birth control for medical issues and plenty of people think it has too many side effects to be legal, why should they get to decide because they had a bad experience when it has worked for me?
What if I don't have a kid in your school, but show up to a school board meeting with all my friends to say teaching kids math is inhumane and it needs to be removed from the curriculum? People are doing that RIGHT NOW near me, mandating the removal of pride flags and banning the use of kids preferred pronouns. Do they have kids in the school district? No. It's a bunch of people from a mega church near by being told to do this by their pastor. But according to you, they should be respected.
Comparing it to inhumane medical treatments highlight your true feelings on the subject.
"Big on abortion" in this situation means "other women can have abortions but I wouldn't choose to"
He's Catholic. If you can't see that to mean "I see abortion as similar to taking a life" then there's no reason for me to read the rest of your wall of text.
Was thinking the same thing and saw that you had it covered. "If you don't have something nice to say, don't say it at all" seems like the kind of shit his old ass would gripe about. So sick of these "moderate Dems" trying to poach votes from the right. Anyone trying to build long term stability or a cohesive path to progress wouldn't be inviting these fucks into their "big tent."
edited, because I forgot to say: Us pizzas know whats up.
I'm not sure where you live but I'm in the bible belt and almost every single Christian I've heard speak about the issue (people are very vocal about religion here) has said that abortion is murder and they do not approve of women having the ability to choose to end a life for any reason.
As a Christian, I have to say that I don't see any medically unnecessary situation where abortion isn't murder. You are ending the life of another human being for your own convenience.
That said, I realize that as a community we can't get rid of abortion. It's a very complex problem with no good single solution. Not only is it necessary that people have painless access for when it is unfortunately necessary, but it's also not correct for us as Christians to force our convictions on others. All we can do is to try our best to make situations where abortions are desired (but not needed) as infrequent as possible. That means good prenatal care, good familial and financial education, proper sex education (and I mean real sex education, not just "don't have sex" - you can't stop humans from doing human things), etc.
I’m a pastor and I can tell you that modern theology on abortion was largely fabricated in the late 70’s and early 80’s.
Even the Southern Baptist Convention, one of the largest Evangelical denominations called abortion a “distinctly Catholic issue”. The cause for the change of consensus between 1973 and 1977, but the point being the largest pro-life organization in America took years to become outraged. If the Bible were as clear cut as they pretend, then they should have been marching on day 1.
What does the Bible say about abortion? The only time it discusses it is in Numbers 5:11-31, known as the Drought of Bitter Waters. Essentially if a husband suspects his wife is pregnant due to an affair, a priest administers a drink of bitter waters. There’s some debate over whether this drink is legitimately harmful and God supernaturally protects the innocent or it is perfectly harmless and God supernatural punishes the guilty, but it doesn’t really matter as the result is the same: The termination of the pregnancy.
If a fetus is a fully developed human life, then an innocent is being executed for the crimes of another. That’s a pretty horrific conclusion, but that’s obviously not the perspective of the audience of the day.
So how did the Biblical audience view the notion of when life began?
This gets a little tricky as we’re essentially asking when does a person have a soul. For much of the European church history, this moment was called ensoulment and happened when the mother first felt the cold kick. This specific moment was also known as the quickening. Most evangelicals now argue that ensoulment happens at the moment of conception.
The problem is that ensoulment isn’t actually a Christian idea at all, rather it’s Greek and Roman. Unfortunately, a lot of how Christian’s think isn’t due to the Bible but because of a rather interesting fella named Plotinus and his philosophy known as neo-platonism.
Speaking broadly, in neo-platonism, the soul is the true essence of a person and it is immortal and eternal. The soul inhabits a body and lives a life of good or evil that determines its eternal destination, heaven or hell.
In Judaism and therefore Christianity, people don’t have an immortal soul. You will find no verse in the Bible that discusses an eternal spiritual essence. The Bible explicitly notes that we were forbidden the tree of eternal life.
Jews did not believe in going to heaven when you die, they believed in a blessed hope known as the resurrection of the dead. A time when all who died would arise again to face judgment, the righteous would never taste death again and the world would be set to rights.
Even in Jesus’s day, this wasn’t a universally held belief, however. The Pharisees held to the resurrection, while the Sadducees believed that death was final and permanent.
But the words Soul and Spirit occur all throughout the Bible, you may be thinking. Yes, but that’s more an artifact of translation and cultural appropriation. In Hebrew, spirit is “ruach” and can be translated roughly as breath or wind. Soul is “nephesh” and literally means throat.
In Jewish thought, and therefore Christian thought, a person becomes a living being when they breathe.
The real kicker in all this is that the church rejected a lot of Jewish thought and leaned into Greek and Roman thought because of antisemitism.
The best argument for the Southern Baptist Convention’s pivot on this issue? Probably racism as well. Integration in public schools caused a massive surge in private Christian schools, which could segregate under the guise of religious liberty.
While the Supreme Court ultimately decided against Bob Jones University in the early 80’s, it was only after a 13 year battle with the IRS and lower courts. By the late 70’s, it became clear that the final bastion of racial segregation, Christian education, was going to fall.
Racism had been a hugely potent force for turning out evangelicals to vote and with these final court cases, the voting block was no longer motivated or unified. Abortion was one of several issues workshopped by Jerry Falwell and lesser-known, but not less-influential, Paul Weyrich and first floated in the 1978 midterms with tremendous success.
It finally became an issue with national attention in 1980 and the theology of life beginning at conception was largely solidified in place.
All that to say, if you want to believe life begins at conception, that’s fine. But you can’t pretend that’s ever been a commonly held perspective. Throughout much of church history it was the quickening and when the Bible was written, it was almost certainly at first breath.
Interesting, pastor W.A. Criswell, the former president of the southern baptist convention agreed with that notion in 1974. “I have always felt that it was only after a child was born and had a life separate from its mother that it became an individual person,” Criswell declared, “and it has always, therefore, seemed to me that what is best for the mother and for the future should be allowed.”
Huffman totally doesn't get that the conflict isn't about Reddit wanting to charge for API access. That in and of itself is fine.
It's how they're going about it, starting with "We're going to start charging you in a month, and just five months ago we said we weren't going to be charging anything for the foreseeable future," followed immediately by Huffman being a human-shaped turd very loudly at every chance.
I disagree. I keep seeing people saying this, but it is giving them far too much credit. It doesn't matter if the pricing was reasonable or if they had a good long time to prepare for it.
All of this talk about the pricing is completely irrelevant. What's relevant is the impetus behind it. This is just a weapon Reddit is using to kill 3rd party apps. That's it. That is what they want to do, that is what they are doing. Don't let that get confused in a bunch of talk about pricing and deadlines, it doesn't really have anything to do with what's happening here
it would have been SO easy for them to make their API changes the way that it's typically done - with ample warning time and semi-reasonable prices. the only obvious explanation is that they really don't want third party apps and this was their way to shut them down without saying it explicitly.
I remember reading a comment that said they half expected this to be a 'Door in the Face' technique (or a different one with a different name, can't recall) wherein Reddit was being a clever sales person by starting high and then going low, because the true goal was to just introduce a pricing plan to begin with. If they had just started with a pricing plan, there'd be pushback and they might have to rescind it, but if they started with something ridiculous and then walked it back/lowered it to something reasonable (their goal the entire time), they could save face and say "hey Reddit we heard you loud and clear and you're right!" and Reddit could go "We did it Reddit!" - I thought that seemed very plausible at the time.
Then I thought maybe it was just Hanlon's Razor. They were just being stupid. Turns out it was a little of both malice and stupidity.
I genuinely think that ending up with a lower price as an appeasement was part of the initial plan. I think at some point, maybe too many people pointed that out for it to feel like a good plan anymore, or maybe spez started taking it personally and decided to take it off the table.
I'm about 50/50 now on whether they're just sticking to be being stupid/spiteful or if they've maybe just decided to remarket reddit completely as an LLM training model. If it's just a training model, who cares if the community isn't happy, that doesn't matter so much in the short term. They can prop up abandoned communities and limp along, hell even the corporate marketing & propaganda accounts talking amongst themselves might have enough value to keep things going until they IPO. Spez just has to make a plan to cash out ASAP.
I doubt they have the talent to make an LLM. But just in case, instead of deleting your comments before deleting your user, replace them with some choice words about Huffman ruining the value of the site via poor leadership.
Perturb each comment with random one letter errors. This way any LLM will learn to tell everyone about Huffmans poor performance. Even better, it’ll be harder to bulk remove the comments with the errors in them. Especially if there are many rephrasings on top.
Even if they just came out and said "we don't want third party apps like Apollo anymore, we want one Reddit experience" it would have been at least honest. There would still be an uproar but not ugly like this.
Instead everything Steve has done has been duplicitous and in bad faith. Then he drops that memo and pokes the bear, does a couple rounds of interviews going "I'm so strong, mods are spoiled, I'm like daddy Elon, make me rich".
I genuinely don't know what he thinks he's going to get out of this. He should have just sat this out quietly and let subs go dark until they got bored and alternatives formed and the system fixed itself.
Side note: I've been disgusted watching redditors lick his boots and hate on the mods. In 13 years of using Reddit I only ever got banned from /r/conservative, so I don't get all these people complaining about power tripping mods. That got me to delete all my accounts.
And frankly, reddit shielded the_donald when they were openly breaking the rules about vote manipulation in such a huge way that they dominated /r/all.
They totally exist, but the community tends to build around them when it's bad.
Someone posted https://subredditstats.com/ and it became so clear how reddit had changed in the last 3 years. All my subs have expanded 3-5x in size, and over that same period the quality declined a lot.
Oh there are plenty of shitty mods on certain subreddits, but the biggest issue is that often the community doesn't realize it. Some person gets banned for some stupid reason, the community doesn't know. That's one of the biggest issues with community moderation especially on Reddit: it is entirely too easy for moderators to act invisibly and absolutely no one would be any the wiser because the only person that could point out the abuse of power can no longer post.
@soft_frog I was a mod on Reddit for a bit. As far as bans go, permabans were rare. There were a few people, however, that I or another mod banned that would play this "I was just joking" or "all I said was x and they banned me" game, but we would use a mod tag on these people so we quickly remember why we banned them. And it's like dude, you told the dev who's promoting their game to kill themselves.
There are some shitty people out there, and mods have to clean up their shit (hopefully before anyone else sees) so the users have a good experience in our community.
Yeah, there are some bad mods out there too, but it's the ones that care that are going to have to work double time without these third party tools, and the site is going to lose some of those with this change.
I'm still bitter about a great post I made, which had a great discussion going, being removed on r/fitness for some obscure BS, just inane illogical reason. The mods in that sub were notoriously terrible, and is why there were a bunch of spinoff subs.
The mods for r/guitar were (are?) pretty bad. The guys at r/guitarcirclejerk made a sport of seeing how stupid a post they could post on r/guitar without getting banned. Of course, actual noobs with stupid noob questions sometimes ended up getting banned for trolling, so they'd end up at r/guitars asking wtf.
It was kinda funny, kinda tragic. Dunno if it's still there.
The rise of circlejerk communities was the beginning of the end, their only purpose was to harass members of a community and create a gathering place for trolls.
The part of the memo where Steve talks about wearing Reddit swag out on town really hit. Like, we love Reddit, but hate you, not your employees. Why would users want to harm Reddit employees?
I mean, it's not unfathomable, but it wasn't imperative to mention it as it only serves to stoke fear among his employees and tries to frame this as an "us against them" thing.
But you’d miss this the part where they mention that trump claimed he made Taylor swift “so much money” and that she’d be “disloyal” if she supported Biden “like she did in 2020.”
What the fuck is that geriatric diarrhea bag even referencing.
But on the whole, yeah. Huffingron post is basically twitter news. Which is…fucking insane.
Just correct me if I’m mistaken, but a quick research revealed that when a woman in Texas gets an abortion she is handed a life-long prison sentence and a fine of USD 10,000. A doctor who performs an abortion gets also a life in prison, looses his licence, and pays a fine of USD 100,000.
But a man poisoning a woman with abortion medication get 180 days in jail, no fine.
I’m not a legal expert, but that seems to have nothing to do with justice but rather with controlling women, right?
I’m mildly optimistic that this judgment can now be used as case law for all the prosecution efforts against women and doctors as a result of Texas’ fucked up abortion law.
it’s because the real problem is women having any amount of power. abortion that is forced on her is fine, because it establishes that women are subhuman and can have things forced upon them.
I don’t think it’s so much about controlling women and their sexuality as much as it is a man wants to ejaculate inside a woman without the consequences of producing a child.
It isn’t about not dealing with the consequences, abortion would be the easiest solution in that case.
No it’s simply that women usually have the ultimate say in whether a baby is kept, at least in modern western society. And that is women having too much power.
This is actually written in the Bible as the official Christian methodology for abortions. The man literally poisons his wife to induce it as a test of her loyalty, in numbers 5:11-31. Yes that’s right, abortion is sanctioned in the Bible exactly as Herring did it to his wife. I don’t know if this factored into the court ruling, but it wouldn’t surprise me.
Jesus,imagine if democrat told their voters that 98% of them were too addled to pass a cognitive test.
Fuck, you try to explain math or science to someone and get called arrogant as a democrat but I guarantee republicans will be just fine with what Trump said about them here.
disagreement with one’s biological sex, is sinful and offensive to God
"Intersex people don't exist. Stop making up words. If a baby has multiple sex charistics then OF COURSE surgical intervention is needed to force a binary choice. God doesn't make mistakes, but sometimes he does a whoopsie."
These people refuse to understand human biology because their goddamn Bible has already told them everything they want to know. Yet they have the gall to laughingly repeat "iT's bAsiC BiolOgY" without a clue to their ignorance.
If they are going to believe in a god but then deny, abuse and destroy nature, which could only be thought of as their god's expression in physical form, doesn't that make these people blasphemous heretics by their own definition? Unfortunately, these "religious" fucks are just liars who in reality think they know better than whatever god they act like they believe in. They'll abuse and destroy anything in their path because to them noone and nothing has actual value. The only important thing to them is their own imagined version of the divine.
Reading and comprehension are two different things. They have likely read the bible. If they believe in hell and quote Leviticus as though it represents Christian law then they have failed to comprend it.
dude was a highly sarcastic political activist who was mocking the roman emperor and got killed for it.
when he said drink my blood, eat my flesh. dude was tongue in cheek mocking the cults at the time being so dramatic and also embracing this identity that Jewish people are evil and use curses and blood magic shit.
His mom was next level. Gets drunk, fucks around, gets pregnant. She tells people that the kid is actually the son of a god and people eat that shit right up. Joseph though… That poor guy had to be in some serious denial. That dude was probably like Charlie from Me, Myself & Irene.
Problem is anyone with any capacity to hear this has been listening since 2016, and everyone else is… well deaf doesn’t really cover it. Is there a condition where your ears grow inside out and become megaphones that blare circus music?
Her breasts are tremendous. What could be the issue here? So I had sex with my daughter? I don't see a problem in this free country. #MakeAmericaGreatAgain
"Donald Trump wants to bang his daughter" was a recurring bit on The Daily Show as far back as 2016. These aren't new revelations; he says stuff like this in public. Here's an article from 2016 covering some comments about Ivanka as well as him saying of a very underage girl, "I'm going to be dating her in ten years. Can you believe it?"
In the land of the wretches, the pedophile is king.
A summary of ideas commonly proposed by Republican politicians in response to school shootings:
Harden schools against intruders by locking doors and installing bullet proof glass
Reduce the number of entrances and exits to further harden schools against external attackers
Install metal detectors to prevent students or visitors from bringing guns onto school property undetected
Eliminate backpacks/ require clear backpacks to prevent students from concealed carrying weapons
Arm teachers so they can kill school shooters
Hire more armed peace officers/school police to respond more quickly to school shooters
Require panic buttons to more quickly alert police to the presence of a school shooter
Notice that all of these ideas are reactive, and that none of these proposed solutions extend beyond the bounds of school property. It is assumed that there are people with guns who will try to kill schoolchildren, and they aren’t going to even try to solve that problem. They just take the existence of school shooters for granted, as a though it’s an innate part of society or a naturally occurring phenomenon like earthquakes.
That position would be a lot more defensible if the US wasn’t an outlier among developed nations for gun violence, and in particular school shootings.
Because it is just another Monday. They proclaim, "thoughts and prayers," then go right back to owning the Libs by boycotting everything they love, while voting against their own best interests. Children are nothing more than sacrificial pawns to them.
I'm a teacher and a gun owner. I will tell off any administrator who tells me that I'll be issued a firearm for my classroom and that part of my job is to eliminate an intruder.
Ironically, the last district I taught at specifically told us to think about ourselves first and get to safety. We were told to run, even if that meant leaving the kids behind.
Because none of them want to solve the problem, until it's their kids getting shot up. Like "thoughts and prayers" it's a way to tell the victims to get fucked without being on record telling them to get fucked.
It’s not a reversal in any way, but a continuation of a policy of obstructing aid to Ukraine to help Russia, because Republican have chosen to follow Trump, and be traitors against USA and democracy.
Anyone who thought otherwise and actually believed them is an idiot. And it’s time Republicans realize that Trump and Putin are losers.
If Trump wins the election, USA will lose the core values it was founded on.
I feel its less about Ukrain, Russia and all about do what Trump commands. Had Trump kept silent, the bill would’ve probably passed with minor resistance
The GOP was being resistant before even trump said anything. They said themselves, it’s about not giving the democrats a win. Complete traitors to the USA.
Trump is in no way a leader for the people who actually run things in the GoP. He's just a convenient scapegoat and distraction. A tool to be used to further their own agendas without getting their hands as dirty.
I am not going to vote for trump and I am 100% against giving more aid to Ukraine. Literally all its done is caused more dead people and with a worse outcome. I dont see any connection between Ukraine aid and trump.
The split contest has generated plenty of controversy, with former state party chair Amy Tarkanian last year calling it “a nightmare” and “a debacle.”
It is so weird to see a full-blown "let's imprison our enemies and I can kill my opponents if I want to" fascist in the race, and party officials still calmly operating the same orderly processes that gave us Jimmy Carter.
If this is a nightmare, I don't know what words you could use to describe what Trump will do if he wins.
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