The fediverse isn't going to work if top pages consist of the same link 10x reposted.
Seeing stuff about reddit being posted to 10 different technology boards, plus reddit-themed ones, then reposted further just makes this whole idea a mess. Reposts have to be consolidated into a single comment thread.
I completely understand the sentiment while simultaneously completely disagreeing. The idea of the fediverse, and seeing it play out explicitly with the various multiple posts and other things is kind of sexy to me in a technological and aspirational sense. I dig how janky this whole thing can sometimes be. It's part of the appeal for me. As it matures and becomes more streamlined over time all of that will surely change and get cleaner and easier to use. Which will be awesome to see. But I greatly appreciate what it is now for the time that it will be. Being in close to the ground floor of this is really fun. I loved Usenet back in the day. I remember and loved reddit at the very very beginning. I love and appreciate this shit for what it is while it still is this. This has legs. And people will be nostalgic for this time later on. Love it now too while enjoying watching it grow.
Agreed the cross posting is much more visible and irritating. Not sure it will ever be resolved as it is a fundamental architecture design of the Fediverse. I would hate to see another closed source site be the main alternative but Squabbles is growing fast and with the new app looking so good it may accelerate its growth. Time will tell.
The feed present on Kbin and Lemmy that delivers content that is "hot" is still an algorithm, it just isn't a hyper-specific one like you'd see on Tik Tok
Yes, I meant "recommendation algorithm" or "based on dataming algorithm" - I should have been more clearer.
We have various "sorting", "time" and "weight/vote" based algorithms of course.
Not trolling here: I think this is something the fediverse will need to decide at some point. What are the acceptance criteria for timeline presentations? But this would also be a perfect example of diversity: don’t like the way our instance sorts your timeline? No problem, here’s some instances that do it differently.
Sure, but the algorithms themselves will have to be provided by the instance, so I guess different instance might make different choices, for example due to privacy concerns etc.
Allowing people to submit their own algorithms is easy. Setting it up so there are no vulnerabilities and no one can intentionally crash the server is hard. Maybe a system that allows the user to assign different weights to each data point (time since posted, upvotes, comments, etc.) would be more doable.
Even if it just shows the post with most activity once, links to other communities versions inside with comments. Uniqueness determined by url and or title similarity.
Essentially this - just (as much as anything is 'just' in software dev) have any posts pointing to the same link from any community in a collapsible list under the top instance, perhaps prioritizing ones that the user is subscribed to for convenience. Users could then expand the list to see where it is being discussed if desired.
I have said it before, I'd like a universal comment section for the link itself (or maybe topic or timeline specific, mod-linked as well) and a separate one for each article (ideally something longer than a paragraph) that can be easily switched.
Even better if the feed showed the URL and grouped the articles based site-wide stats and user-specific preferences.
But that's what I'm saying about (Kbin) articles. As in I expect each community to add their thoughts/perspective (or even a break-down) in the form of an article (and then people in said community comment on that). Multiple people maybe, if takes are different enough.
Also I'm saying it should be a faster switch than "other discussions" (which requires going to a separate page first).
#Mastodon has a feature where it’ll consolidate all the most linked to URLs in its explore tag. It doesn’t take you too any toots about the discussion, but shows that something similar is possible, even with federation involved.
I'd argue that this in large part reflects both the fragmented nature of communities at present and also limited focus at present. Both should dilute as the fediverse expands and/or communities consolidate. If people are subscirbed to 5 versions of Gaming for example, then the same links might explode in all the communities subbed to.
But I have no doubt you're right that this also reflects stuff needing developing - for example algorithms to help sort "All" or "subbed" and renove (or even consolidate duplicates in some way) is going to be needed.
If this is a genuine complaint then why not look into creating an app or a pull request to an existing app that allows you to merge every thread about the same link together.
If you are subscribed to similar communities that exist on different servers/instances, then the likelihood of someone from each community posting the link is pretty high (especially if it is big news). If you are subscribed to 5/5 gaming communities that exist across lemmy, kbin, beehaw, and others, then yes, you are going to see similar content each time. I don't see how this is a problem because it seems to be working as intended.
If you're wanting to be subscribed to each because of the opportunity to engage in the comments with others, then just ignore the repeated content. Coming from Reddit, it was common to see the same post on gaming, pcgaming, & pcmasterrace. There's always going to be overlap.
I understand the complaint, there just isn't enough content in my subscriptions to spend all my time there, and with the fediverse growing every day I spend most of my time here on All TopDay to explore new communities. That being said, people need to recognize this is a growing pain and it will level out. Personally it's given me time to reflect on how much I was using Reddit and helps me put it down instead of doom scrolling constantly, so I don't mind lol.
Yeah, it was pretty common to see the same link on r/all from multiple subreddits. You just… scroll past. Or block the community you don’t want to see posts from.
I think it should be all consolidated under the same link posted. Just like when you open a thread on Reddit and it says "also posted in these subreddits" etc. Except instead it'd communities in different instances you can click between, and all with different titles.
Lots of new users (me included) who don't know the ins and outs of Lemmy are joining. Some may not find the right communities for their posts (e.g. if they don't exist on their instance, but on another) and post it to a somewhat related community on theirs.
There are many communities (often one per instance) that deal with the same topic, therefore generating similar posts in reaction to an event relating to that topic. While they might consolidate somewhat over time, I see it more as a feature than a bug of the fediverse. You could pick the one(s) you like most and unsubscribe from the rest.
Until there is a critical mass of users niche content will get little to no engagement while big current topics get almost all of it. These posts will be up there when sorting by top, hot or active, I'd imagine. Maybe you could solve that by sorting by newest.
I wonder what's going to kill the whole Fediverse tomorrow. Seems after like a week of vacation from Reddit all' the most excitable people can only agree on one thing: this place is very, very doomed unless it changes everything right now.
Maybe if every instance just redirects to Reddit (or some kind of front-end so it looks like it has a different name but all of the same people, problems, etc.) then people will be happy.
...Yes I'm getting grumpy at all' the complaining before anyone's had a chance to deal with or figure out anything, let alone sort out proper solutions and start patching things. Please, try to have some patience.
It's not an issue of fediverse but an issue of kbin/lemmy apps. More better approach can be thought such that some related articles would be grouped to one title.
This is probably a pipe dream, but I’d like to see a feature where any number of articles in a single user’s feed that shares the same exact link just gets grouped together into a “super magazine” or something.
You’d only see either the earliest or most local instance of the link on your feed with an indicator of it’s “super magazine” status.
When you click on a super magazine, you’d see just one link and a federated list of all the articles that included it. Each item in the list would mention who posted it and where it was posted.
Clicking on one of the items in the article list would set which comment section you access. (Or screw it, just federate all the comments into one massive comment section. Toggling an item from the article list would only set which article you’d post a new thread to.)
I had the same idea and wanted to write a little userscript to achieve this. Sadly Kbin doesn't make it easy to do this, since the actual link is not exposed on the threads page and only accessible after you clicked the link. That makes it super hard to "group by link". I mean you could "fetch" every link for every post but that would put so much unnecessary traffic to the site so that I would rather not do that.
If you find that you're subscribed to lot of communities that share the same content / discussions, then it might be time to unsubscribe from some of them. I'd bet many of those subs have different cadence in replies, even though they post the same headlines? Just pick the one that has best discussions and participation.
Just tone down your subscriptions and get rid of the noise until you can hear the signal again.
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