kde,
@kde@floss.social avatar

If you don't use Bing with Edge, Microsoft will tell you your computer needs repairing.

https://www.tomsguide.com/computing/windows-operating-systems/microsoft-now-says-your-pc-is-in-need-of-repair-if-youre-not-using-bing-with-edge

They are not wrong.

To mend your machine:

  1. Ditch Windows
  2. Install Plasma
  3. Your computer is ready.

https://kde.org/plasma-desktop/

@kde

A laptop running the laters version of Plasma, Plasma 6.

kde,
@kde@floss.social avatar

@kde

Apple had to learn the hard way: Under the DMA (thanks @EUCommission !) they were forced to give users a choice regarding the default search engine and browser on their systems.

What are we going to do about Microsoft misleading users?

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_24_1689

Successful_Try543,

Is the browser selection on Windows no longer required in EU?

knolord,

It is still required, as Google had to do the same with Android, offering multiple search engines and presenting them to the user (at least that happened to me with my phone), but after doing it in Windows 8.1, Microsoft probably thought that it was enough compliance to keep “those nagging EU politicians” away.

Successful_Try543,

I just found out that the agreement between Microsoft and the EU commission was only valid between 2009 and 2014. So MS is no longer obliged to make the change of the default browser easy.

knolord,

What a shame, as now it would be more needed than ever :c

But thank you for correcting me.

some_guy,

The next step will be for Windows to tell you that you are broken if you chose another browser.

Opisek,

What is wrong with all those kde links in the comments? Are y’all bots?! Hella annoying.

rtxn,

They probably either use a different client, or a different federated service, that lets them mark multiple participants in each post of the thread.

SpiderShoeCult,

I think they may be using mastodon and that’s how you post in a lemmy community via mastodon, using the @ tags.

omgarm,

Federation is taking some getting used to I guess.

Rentlar,

Mastodon users need to mention the user and the community name in order to make or reply to Lemmy comments.

Amanduh,

You know you don’t have to click the links right?

epat,

Ehh, time to play a bit of a devil’s advocate.

“Bing with Edge”,

  1. it’s talking about search engine in edge
  2. a lot of malware will change your search engine, so that may make sense, for less knowledgeable people
  3. it won’t do anything on its own, you need to accept the repair step, for your default browser and/or search engine in edge to change
rtxn, (edited )

t won’t do anything on its own, you need to accept the repair step

Do you know what else works like that? Pop-up tech support scams. The target doesn’t have to do anything, but it’s become a thriving business in many poor regions (Kolkata, India is notorious) and a problem for moderately tech-illiterate users.

I would even say that this anti-feature promotes bad personal security practices because the user may be more inclined to believe “your computer needs repair” pop-ups if the first one they encounter comes from a legitimate, trusted party.

epat,

Yes, it’s not a great security practice, and it probably should work more like "we’ve noticed you have randomly changed your search engine from google/ddg/bing/whatever to this ‘random search engine no-one heard about’’ instead of blindly reverting to edge and bing.

It seems to be a tool for tech illiterates. A power user will know how to avoid malware, and remove it if they catch it.

They should do a much better job than that, but helping people that don’t know what they’re doing is not itself a bad thing.

Sir_Osis_of_Liver,
@Sir_Osis_of_Liver@beige.party avatar

@kde @kde

I use DDG on Edge, and haven't seen this.

I've got Mint on an old laptop. It seemed to require the least amount of fuckery to get working. No idea what Plasma is.

I just want an OS and browser, not a project.

PureTryOut,
@PureTryOut@lemmy.kde.social avatar

You literally typed this in a KDE community, how do you fail to know what Plasma is?

dubyakay,

Browsing All does that.

Sir_Osis_of_Liver,
@Sir_Osis_of_Liver@beige.party avatar

@PureTryOut

It showed up on my feed. I see similar advice posts regularly "Just ditch windows and..."

Aside from my work tools not working on Linux natively, there are usually a few other steps involved in making the transition. Most people don't want to fuck around with that sort of thing.

I played around with Ubuntu back in the early 00s, before reverting back to Windows.

I looked into what was the easiest current distro to install in order to revive an old laptop. The consensus seemed to be Mint. It works fine and the old hardware was all recognized and so on. I'm still primarily a Windows user, even with all the the BS that goes along with it.

areyouevenreal,

Using Linux is hardly a project anymore, unless you want it to be one. Plasma is just an interface, you can get many distros with it if you want including Fedora, Debian, OpenSUSE, Kubuntu, Arch, and so on.

Sir_Osis_of_Liver,
@Sir_Osis_of_Liver@beige.party avatar

@areyouevenreal

You have to realize just how alien that sounds to anyone unfamiliar with the Linux ecosystem.

I was vaguely familiar with different distros, and how it's basically the Lego of operating systems, from tinkering around with it twenty years ago.

It was funny asking for recommendations and getting everything from Mint to Arch.

For someone else who had absolutely no idea, and who'd only ever used Windows, it would absolutely be a project.

areyouevenreal,

You can pretty much just install Mint or Pop OS and go. There are a lot of options (I would argue too many) but you can ignore most of them as a beginning user. No one should recommend arch to a beginner and anyone who does should be shot.

Also are you on a mastodon instance or something?

whelk,
@whelk@lemm.ee avatar

The picture looks like two mildly offended Decepticons

swordgeek,

So, criminal fraud.

byteduck,
@byteduck@fosstodon.org avatar

@kde @kde I hope this can get out there, 'cause I feel like on here, you're pretty much preaching to the choir. :)

Anticorp,

Dark pattern and antitrust legislation doesn’t mean anything if it’s not enforced.

ano_ba_to,
  1. “Repair” computer.
  2. Use MS Edge for the first time.
  3. Use bing.com for the first time.
  4. Search for “best Linux distro for gaming”.
  5. Ditch Windows.
FiniteBanjo,

Alright but what does that have to do with an image of the reddit servers?

jelloeater85,
@jelloeater85@lemmy.world avatar

I run all our stuff on Windows ME!

Zacryon,

I assume because they run on windows.

mittorn,
@mittorn@masturbated.one avatar

@kde @kde
3. Install msedge for linux and open Bing

rtxn,

Using Edge on Linux is like cooking up a banger vegan meal and then drenching it in bacon grease.

Resol,
@Resol@lemmy.world avatar

I got rid of Edge entirely on my Windows machine. I wonder how Microsoft will act now.

I guess I should just become an immigrant since the land of Windows has been turning me down for quite a bit of time.

baggins,
@baggins@beehaw.org avatar

So repair it.

With Linux!

boredsquirrel,

Fedora Kinoite, get a Breeze of the future!

alihan_banan,

@kde @kde based

woltiv,
@woltiv@mastodon.social avatar

@kde @kde I've been using Plasma 6 as my daily driver for three weeks now, and it's really good! I'm grateful for all the time that developers, testers, and doc writers have spent on this project. I decided to ditch Windows after getting yet another nudge to "please create a microsoft account".

ICastFist,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

Fuck Plasma!

Message courtesy of the XFCE gang

Aggravationstation,

Backed by the GNOME possee

possiblylinux127, (edited )

This is actually pretty frustrating

I don’t even use Edge and I’m upset

areyouevenreal,

Yeah it’s a shitty thing for them to do

inaction_figure,
@inaction_figure@fosstodon.org avatar

@kde @kde I have fixed three laptops this way. Can confirm. 👍

Lexam,

If you aren’t using Bing on Edge, then I’m sorry to say you are streets behind my friend.

Ozymandias1688,

Coined and minted!

pjwestin,
@pjwestin@lemmy.world avatar

Damn, if anyone ever uses Edge, this might be an issue.

Bytemeister,

Gotta love it when edge users try to tell me “It’s not that bad” and “It’s based on chrome now”.

Those aren’t exactly selling points…

shanesemler,
@shanesemler@metalhead.club avatar

@kde @kde I'd like to use Plasma, but the last time I tried it, it didn't run very well on my PC.

possiblylinux127,

You also could try Linux Mint cinnamon

qaz,

Compared to Windows? Because then it’s probably not plasma but the underlying distribution.

analog,
@analog@cyberpunk.lol avatar

@qaz @shanesemler I can vouch this. The way Garuda used Plasma for a while lagged the heck out of my desktop. They switched it up a few versions ago and runs like butter now.

shanesemler,
@shanesemler@metalhead.club avatar

@analog @qaz This was not even a year ago. I'll stick with XFCE for now.

shanesemler,
@shanesemler@metalhead.club avatar

@qaz No. I use XFCE. I tried Plasma not even a year ago. Moving windows around made the low frame rate obvious.

decapitae,
@decapitae@mastodon.social avatar

@kde @kde Do not fear the learning curve, for it is shallower now than a year ago.

Honytawk,

It doesn’t say anything about repairing, this is such a low class clickbait.

All it says is that the default settings are changed, and they recommend resetting to their service. Because of course a company is going to recommend their own services. Would be a bad company if they didn’t.

This is the actual picture they used in the article:

https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/So3VofQu8JDnS7fe78gca9-970-80.jpg

kuberoot,

If you look at the screenshot, you can see this is the “Repair tips” tab/button. I don’t know what it looks like, but it does say something about repairing.

Bro666,
@Bro666@lemmy.kde.social avatar

It doesn’t say anything about repairing, this is such a low class clickbait.

It is literally under the “Repair tips” tab.

https://lemmy.kde.social/pictrs/image/65aa271d-c817-4647-bef9-9d062c5b2f46.jpeg

olafurp,

They should add a red badge with ( 1 )

possiblylinux127,

Useful red circle

dodgy_bagel,

I can see windows internet related services being tested with edge.

Honytawk,

A repair tip

A tip for if things went wrong, like if some virus installed a weird browser and set it default, and you want a quick fix.

It isn’t saying that if you installed any other browser the system is broken and it should be repaired to Edge. That is just ridiculous and why I call this clickbait.

It is aimed at people who don’t even know what a default browser is. You know, the average user.

Bro666,
@Bro666@lemmy.kde.social avatar

You are working with hypotheticals. We cannot judge what the reasoning is. We can only judge what it is. It may have been done with good intentions as you say. Given MS’s track record, highly unlikely, but either way the fact is MS is telling its Windows users that anything that is not Edge and Bing is damaged or malicious. That is anticompetitive bullshit (intentional or not) and FUD.

lazynooblet,
@lazynooblet@lazysoci.al avatar

Hey come on. You sound far too reasonable.

Don’t you know this is the KDE community where we discuss topics about KDE hate on Windows.

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