@ntha@hydrian@blu256 Fair enough, and agreed. For me it will be Java now, but I guess that mutatis mutandis it all applies. Java (and PHP) can be seen as old, junky languages, inferior to those new and flashy ones, but most web dev job offers I see are precisely Java (a lot) and PHP (WordPress), if we talk backend/ full stack. I love them both, though. As you say, the maturity of the ecosystem really pays. :)