tante,
@tante@tldr.nettime.org avatar

Mitchell Baker from Mozilla tells the German news agency that we shouldn't "leave AI development to the tech-giants", that somehow "the training data should be controlled by users".

And that does on a surface level sound nice. User control and criticizing tech giants. Great. But it accepts the tech-giants' narrative: That "AI" is inevitable and that all data has to be dumped into these systems, that unfairness is a tech issue to solve with more data. That is not true.

We can also decide not to build these huge and wasteful statistical systems.

tante,
@tante@tldr.nettime.org avatar

Sure there are useful machine learning tools, I spend parts of my day building some, but these overreaching, all-encompassing, general models are a mistake. They promise things that they'll never deliver, are untestable, unverifiable, massively wasteful, express systemic violence (and all the other structural issues @timnitGebru , @mmitchell_ai, @emilymbender and Angelina McMillan-Major have written about).

If there is something in machine learning, it is in small, focused, testable networks.

Simulacrum,

@tante @timnitGebru @mmitchell_ai @emilymbender It’s like these people look at all the terrible shit in tech—and maybe the world—and offload any intellectual effort needed onto market solutions or magical tech solutions, bc they’re an effortless mental exercise.

“Let’s make education accessible and better” requires more social and mental effort, so it’s easier for them to say “if your English sucks, use this fancy autocorrect” etc

chris,

@tante

exerting systemic violence towards competent staff
🤝
defrauding customers by feigning competence in a domain

rhymer,

@tante @timnitGebru @mmitchell_ai @emilymbender

Let's see if the essential questions are discussed on todays panel (appr. 19:00 CEST) with #RobertHabeck @BMWK and #EthicsInIT Prof. Judith Simon from #HamburgUniversity. and #JonasAndrulis from #AlephAlpha

https://social.bund.de/@BMWK/111222555658901593

tante,
@tante@tldr.nettime.org avatar

@rhymer @timnitGebru @mmitchell_ai @emilymbender @BMWK again the question of the "if" is already answered. It's merely about the how. That is exactly what I was talking about.

tante,
@tante@tldr.nettime.org avatar

@rhymer @timnitGebru @mmitchell_ai @emilymbender @BMWK especially given that Mr. Andrulis' company got some press recently due to their refusal to filter the (racist) outputs of their large language model. What kind of panel is that gonna achieve?

rhymer,

@tante

Wouldn't that be a very good reason to discuss the "if"-question, in that panel with the party involved present?

@timnitGebru @mmitchell_ai @emilymbender @BMWK

rhymer,

@tante

The panel organizers asked publicly for questions from the interested public and to-be audience. I do not know if they (would) have accepted the "if" question to be discussed tonight.

@timnitGebru @mmitchell_ai @emilymbender @BMWK

datacequia,

@tante how can it be controlled by the users at present?

InternetDev,
@InternetDev@mastodon.social avatar

@tante

D'autant que les Zoos sont de plus en plus contestés, ils semblent vouloir traiter les humains comme les animaux en cage dont in devrait pouvoir sonder le psychique jusqu'à la moindre interstice et même en temps réel.

Teop_Versant,
@Teop_Versant@mastodon.social avatar

@tante Government over-reach, and Google, and Microsoft - have left users without any control. Nothing to do with AI.

claudius,
@claudius@darmstadt.social avatar

@tante it also sounds like Mozilla was a scrappy little company and not at all almost entirely dependent on Google's money.

peltast,

@tante What training data controlled by users means:

"Sir, as a condition of using this hospital you agree that your information can be used to develop automated systems. Do you consent?"

{patient on ambulance gurney groans}

"Thank you sir, your consent has been registered."

learnerkip,

@tante that's a version of "the training data should be controlled by users"

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