Jeremiah, (edited )
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I was surprised how many startup founders at were unaware European companies cannot use most US-based cloud services without violating GDPR because the US government has surveillance authority over most cloud infrastructure providers.

https://noyb.eu/en/next-steps-eu-companies-faqs

More about FISA 702: https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/whats-next-reforming-section-702-foreign-intelligence-surveillance-act

EU-based alternatives: https://eucloud.tech/

leonoverweel,
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@Jeremiah using EU-based datacenters, even if they’re owned by US-based companies, already gets you some of the way towards compliance right?

Jeremiah,
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@leonoverweel Yes, EU-located datacenters owned by US-based companies generally meet the requirement because the US government cannot intercept Internet traffic outside the US, as far as we know. However, the US government can compel a US company to surrender data for a customer, which is its own problem.

jdurehed,
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@Jeremiah this is really interesting. I thought that most people just ignored facts. That's my experience at least. It is harder to do right than to go with some convenient "everyone else are doing it" strategy.

If people just don't know than I think this is a lot easier to fix.

Jeremiah,
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@jdurehed I think it’s hard to accept how inferior and more expensive most EU-based services are to Cloudflare, GCP, AWS, et al.

jdurehed,
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@Jeremiah Well, I don't really agree with that that is true. Even though I do agree with that there are people thinking that. Of course the scale is completely impossible to compete with. And the number of services that is provided is massive on US providers.
But you get really good quality from smaller providers. And there are a bunch of them out there with really competent people. And, in the end, it all depends on what you need.

Jeremiah,
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@jdurehed If you have a recommendation for somethinf comparable to Cloudflare’s platform <https://www.cloudflare.com/developer-platform/products/> in Europe, I’d love to try it. Or GCP’s Cloud Run, BigQuery, and Kubernetes Engine where you don’t pay for anything but in-use compute. Most providers I’ve found here are mediocre and undifferentiated OpenStack/OpenShift deployments that cost more than GCP and AWS equivalents.

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