@jeffcliff@sun people are like OMG HAHA THEY ONLY MADE 3800 OF THEM HAHA I HOPE EVERYONE AT TESLA LOSES THEIR JOBS, THEIR AMERICAN JOBS, HAHA FUCK THESE PEOPLE SEND ALL THE JOBS BACK TO CHINA BECAUSE I HATE ELON HAHA
@jeffcliff@feld I mean though: is there a named fallacy for presenting a number like it's meaningful and ignoring other events with similar numbers? I guess just "dishonesty"
@sun@jeffcliff it’s 100% the "fuck cars" crowd just auto-fellating over every negative car-related thing they can find, with bonus money shots if it somehow involves Elon :shrug:
The Cybertruck isn’t even that big. I was disappointed when I saw it.
Cybertruck:
Width: 70.5"
Length: 223.7"
F150 Long Bed:
Width: 79.9" without mirrors, 95.7" with mirrors
Length: 227.7"
F250 Crew Cab Long Bed:
Width: 105.9" with standard mirrors, 80" without
Length: 266.2"
It’s just not a big truck. If you’ve lived in communities with trucks the Cybertruck is a joke.
@iceloops@sun@jeffcliff California had them, the fueling stations are shutting down. The experiment is pretty much over IMO.
Equivalent hydrogen price to a gallon of gas was ~$15 and Biden tried to do a $7 subsidy but that's not enough. It may have its use in more heavy duty scenarios but not really for passenger cars.
@jeffcliff@iceloops@sun There's no real way to make hydrogen cheap. We don't do anything at scale where it's a byproduct we could capture.
Desalination maybe in the future but that's still hampered by the cost of energy to do the desalination in the first place.
Storing energy in batteries will always be cheaper than using energy to make hydrogen, then back to less energy than you started with. People don't get this. They'll say "oh we can do all this solar to run the hydrogen operation" -- ok great but you make more money by putting the solar into batteries.
AIUI You don't want to make hydrogen from saltwater either, and we have concerns about our long term access to fresh water...
I have a bunch of links of hydrogen operations that exist, their issues, nobody buying it except for small tests, hydrogen trains in Europe canceling (Germany I think?), etc
@iceloops@jeffcliff@sun If we really want this we need a HUGE war-level effort of resources to make small fusion reactors a reality and economical. Make us truly energy independent. It doesn't matter if the rest of the world has all the oil if we have nearly-free energy to do anything we want with.
Maybe there will be a "war on oil" political movement like this. Time will tell
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