roberth, 26 days ago

@samueldr Can confirm "Second, I am just one member of the five-member Nix team and hold no more formal authority than the others in determining the direction of the team."

We respect each member's input, and obviously Eelco has brought a lot of experience.

Here's my perspective on the false accusations about the Nix team: https://functional.cafe/@roberth/112332724619849948

Di4na, 25 days ago

@roberth @samueldr these accusations are not false. I recommend you to read any nix team minutes. It is quite visible.

roberth, 26 days ago

@samueldr The discord link is completely tonedeaf and detracts from the message.

What stood out to me was: Fourth, the NixOS Foundation in no way controls or governs the Nix community, which has, since its inception, demonstrated its ability to self-govern very well.

This used to be true until it got involved with NixCon.
Maybe it should just go back to its core responsibility of managing the infrastructure?

Di4na, 25 days ago

@roberth @samueldr that was not true before nixcon.

Thinking this is about Nixcon is missing the point. If you want a more visible flashpoint, the merge of flakes was it.

Another one was the growing separation between cppnix and nixpkgs/nixos

Another one is the "two personalities" of Cppnix, with Eelco on one side and a good half of the team on the other.

The communication breakdown is not new. It just tipped over with the Nixcon stuff.

roberth, 25 days ago

@Di4na @samueldr My point is that neither Eelco, nor the foundation have authority over the Nix team.

I am on the Nix team. I know what I'm talking about.

As for the QA problems that have prevented Nixpkgs from bumping Nix, we are well aware and working to resolve that.

It followed from unexpected gaps in the test suite, not because anyone was pushing us to make wrong priorities.

Di4na, 25 days ago

@roberth @samueldr i uh

Well I am sure you have your views. I will, once again, recommend you to reread the team minutes and consider how much time is spent pleasing eelco and managing him

Also how much things get delayed because of him or his decisions. He does control things. You may not see it as control.

Finally, i never talked of QA here. Nor of the version drift. I am talking of goals,objectives and interests.

roberth, 25 days ago

@Di4na @samueldr
Would you ignore or listen to the most experienced developer on the team?

I you may overestimate the quality of the notes, as well as the time we have available, and underestimate the tech debt and the time that is needed to become familiar with a code base with such highly specific requirements as well as low level aspects. At a volunteer pace.

Di4na, 25 days ago

@roberth @samueldr I do not. And I agree with you. This is exactly the authority we talk of in that letter. You are right that it is necessary.

It also means that indeed, if you are not wielding it well, it naturally warps things.

That is exactly the problem and how we got there.