@jacqueline If I understand what’s going on correctly, platformio pays the bills by charging silicon vendors to maintain official platformio support. By charging the vendors then they don’t have to charge users. That model seems to have a good amount of advantages.
@jerry507 i think it's an awful business model for an open source project, precisely because of situations like this; if someone comes along and offers to do a bunch of maintainance and/or dev work for a platform, then what do you do?
if you accept the free work, then vendors might start asking "so what exactly are we paying you for?"
but if you reject the free work, then you're inevitably going to sour a lot of very engaged developers, which also weakens your value prop.
@jacqueline on the one hand I am 100% cool with folks saying "RPi foundation makes big money by pretending to be part of the open source community, we aren't really interested in doing free labour" but on the other hand the PlatformIO guy's statements are so baffling I can't actually parse it clearly enough to understand whether they're really saying that.
what does "demonstrative character" even mean there
@gsuberland i think it's easy to lose even the simplest of arguments when you decide that the best way to engage with people is what i can only call "ceo-posting"
@gsuberland i think most baffling of all is how it's also just a totally dogshit business move?
like if you want money from rpi, then a great way to do that is to have good support, build up a userbase, and then come to rpi saying "look we've got X amount of usage on our platform".
instead of whatever the hell this strategy is meant to be
@whitequark@gsuberland@jacqueline I'd be willing to give them the benefit of the doubt if its the first time being weird but they have a quite a history there. I have very little sympathy at this point.
The projects claim of being a benefit for the open source community is quite something when their messy Arduino implementation has been a massive strain on library and core developers.
@whitequark@gsuberland@jacqueline Espressif dropped them recently as an officially supported tool for similar reasons.
Having platformio support brought onto yourself is a sure way of getting your bug reports doubled with issues entirely specific to platformio but people still come to you first instead of platformios bug trackers. I have sympathy with any vendor not being so keen on that value proposition.
@timonsku@whitequark@gsuberland interesting how this gives platformio a profit-generating incentive to make their implementations bad on platforms that don't pay them.
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