Conservatives don't actually care about kids at all. Which is why they're fine with forced child marriage, fine with forced "corrective" surgery on intersex kids that they always put an exception in for their anti-trans bills, and fine with girls getting breast enlargement surgeries.
Because it's not about protecting kids or "consent", it's about having a new boogeyman to fight against, now that it's at least slightly more morally objectionable to go after gay people, though that's not stopping them from trying there either.
I wouldn't put it past them to come after the rest of the alphabet eventually. You know, "first they came for the bla bla". We might not be first in the oven but they'll burn us all given the chance.
Oh yeah we all know that (except for some obvious exceptions in this thread). It’s always been about keeping the masses mad at each other so the top can take their share.
I'm imagining him planning his vacation but making sure not to do anything that would make a good video. People who know him are suggesting off the beaten path attractions, ands just like no - I'm going to disney world.
I would definitely say that my experience on Kbin has been the closest to a “whole new Internet“ experience that I’ve had in quite some time. The interplay between the microblogging and forum side of things has been very interesting for me to wrap my head around. It’s actually been pretty fun.
He also demonstrates how industry was responsible for significant deforestation around their centres. It has also been linked to collapse of civilisations.
Yeah, I’ve come to realize even in the medieval world, people had a huge impact on the environment even then. Esp. regarding wood. There’s a reason cutting wood and gathering sticks was valuable–people needed daily cooking fires, and heat in the winter.
Add industry, even just smelting iron, bronze, copper, or firing bricks, and that’s an even bigger need for fuel.
I imagine natural game was under similar pressures, which is why people moved to herding/farming instead of relying on hunting and gathering. And game was also affected by trees being cut for industry and fuel.
Glassblowing was another big one. Plus framing for stone construction.
Colonialism seems to born out of the need for more wood since it underpinned all energy, trade, and construction. We can see now how fossil fuels are working out for us instead.
There are some good examples of bay side cities being abandoned due to siltation of their bays, some kilometres worth of silt. Massive centres of trade and then nothing due to erosion because of a lack of trees.
If John/Primitive Tech can focus on efficient energy usage then all the better.
“Jerome never questioned my commitment again. I took my mind off the pain by reminding myself that when I’d eventually did stand up, Id’be exactly two inches closer to the stars.”
Gattaca is a great film where he does exactly this.
I haven't watched that movie in such a long time, but i still remember so much from it. Eo many good lines.
Gerome, gerome the metronome.
Was my favourite "quote" when i was little. I always thought: one day i can use that. Obviously i never did and never will
Ok, I understand the point of recording this but...she is very young, and likely this is her first time being laid off. I know, it's shocking. Except for me, who had to console the person that came to get me to be laid off who was much more upset than I was, but I digress.
Here's the thing. You're being laid off. There is nothing you can say or do to change that. The people doing the firing were likely brought in specifically for that job, and they know nothing more than what management has told them. Your manager had absolutely no say in the matter, this decision was made 3 levels higher than them. Your manager likely didn't even know until about an hour before you are let go. I know you're upset, I know you're frustrated, I know you're likely not thinking straight. But it's happening, whether you like it or not. You can ask why you're being let go, but they can't tell you what they don't know. And even worse, they've had this exact same conversation at least 50 times that day. The first instinct is to make it awkward and difficult for them, but this is their job and they are use to it.
Confirm your information. Make sure you can follow up on next steps and get your employment insurance claim started immediately. If you can, make sure you can still contact your actual manager for a reference afterwards. Usually you can find out more about what really happened at the same time. Just get as much information as you can about what they will provide you for the aftermath. Then once you get off the call....scream. Cry. Jump up and down with joy, if that's how you feel. Just let it out. You're going to be feeling a lot of emotion, so just let it out. Go home, explain what happened to your family of you have one. Let them scream and cry if they have to. And then try to sleep.
The next morning will feel weird not having to get up to go to work. Enjoy it. Take the first week to yourself. Get your employment insurance claim going and all the paperwork for that. But take time to decompress so you can be ready for the next move. Work on some of those home projects you've been putting off because you were too busy with your job. Take time to spend with family. Just don't worry about finding a job yet. The emotions from the last job will still be raw, so you don't want to bring that to an interview. Let yourself adjust to the new routine before you dive headfirst into a job search. When you're ready to start your job search, you don't want those emotions clouding your judgement and avoiding jobs that you think are too close to your old job. A little distance will help to put things into perspective.
And remember, it's not the end of the world. You'll find another job. You just need to be open to the possibilities. But you can't do that of you're still pissed off to the eyeballs. Take the time to let it go and truly move on.
All of your advice is sound enough, but the point of this video was more to demonstrate that Cloudflare (and absolutely other companies) are specifically avoiding "layoff" language in favor of firings based on "performance" to avoid paying these people even the paltry amount in unemployment they would receive. It's not just that they're being laid off.
The excuse might be "performance", but they are being fired without cause officially. They can still apply for employment insurance. This is just standard procedure. Being fired with cause opens them up to lawsuits, so most companies avoid that whenever possible. Especially when they are firing multiple people like this.
Being fired without cause means an employee is being let go, but not because of any serious workplace misconduct. Conversely, being fired with cause means the employee committed a serious breach of conduct in their workplace, which led to their termination.
Citing performance is citing cause. You’re wrong and others are right in that citing performance is an attempt to demonstrate cause to avoid severance and/or unemployment. A “layoff” is without cause and entitles them to those benefits.
Again, it doesn't matter what they tell you. It only matters what they report to the government. If it's with cause and you have proof they are lying, you can sue for wrongful dismissal. But they won't do that. They will report it as without cause, because that's just easier. They don't owe her severance because she was only there for 4 months, but she will qualify for at least some employment insurance.
This is plain wrong dude, it’s with cause, it’s performance. They’ll try to get her to sign a paper saying so, she can refuse, but either way they “have a paper trail” and even you refusing can be made to sound like “see they were insubordinate”.
She can go get unemployment, the gov will check, and they will show their paper trail showing she doesn’t qualify.
Stop trying to say it won’t make a difference. It will make a huge difference.
Wrong again. It very much matters what they tell you because by law they’re not required to tell you anything. They can terminate employment for no reason. Giving a reason is citing cause.
The employer might not fight an unemployment claim but if, for example, they cited performance in the termination meeting and then the employee finds out the employer had made age discriminatory comments, kind of like you did, about them, there’s grounds for wrongful termination.
You seem intent on ignoring the fact that the conversation during a termination from the employee perspective is crucial because companies can, and do, lie to protect themselves.
There’s also special conditions and requirements that go along with a reduction in force (layoffs due to overstaffing) that companies try to sidestep by listing a different reason for the termination.
Pointing out the truth is not "age discrimination". It's obvious that she is very upset in the video, and that this is probably the first time she's been in this situation. It's also obvious that the manager and HR person have gone through this conversation many times already. There is nothing that they could say that would satisfy her. The HR person literally says that. They are giving her the response they were told to give her. Yes, its bullshit, but it doesn't matter until it's written down. This video isn't the "gotcha" that she thinks it is. Without the video, it's her word against written documentation. And of course the company is going to protect themselves, that's why they won't report it as with cause. All this video did was show her inexperience. Unfortunately we'll never see the update where she tells us what they reported on the written documents.
The point is, laying all these people off with performance as reason protects Cloudflare in not having to pay extra (which would be legally needed if the employee was not at fault).
This is probably not any kind of proof she can use, but it does make people aware of how Cloudflare operates.
It’s understandable companies have to fire people and as an employee you’d probably do best to accept the harsh reality of a business. But if they really communicate fake causes with lay-offs (not only hurting the employee mentally, but also financially bypassing rightful compensation by law), this should be known by the public.
To be fair though, we cannot confirm her statements to be true either. But I think it’s an interesting share nonetheless.
The point is that is still comes down to what's written on official documents. Yes, what they told her is bullshit and can have a negative mental health effect. But her mental health is not their responsibility. The two people telling her that she was being let go are simply relaying exactly what they are told to by upper management.
The video was smart to record, just in case. But publishing it was just for other people to feel rage. This is have absolutely no effect on Cloudflare. A few less people may apply, but there is no shortage of people looking for jobs right now. With all the layoffs happening at every company, it's almost like the Dot Com Bust again. I got through it and stayed in IT for another 16 years. She will get through this too.
"This is have absolutely no effect on Cloudflare."
It appears to have gotten the CEO worried enough about brand damage that he felt he had to post some bullshit.
"Matthew Prince, the CEO and co-founder of the technology company, has reacted. “We fired ~40 sales people out of over 1,500 in our go-to market org. That's a normal quarter. When we're doing performance management right, we can often tell within 3 months or less of a sales hire, even during the holidays, whether they're going to be successful or not. Sadly, we don't hire perfectly. We try to fire perfectly,” Prince wrote on X, formerly Twitter.
Acknowledging that they were “far from perfect” in this case, Mr Prince said, “The video is painful for me to watch. Managers should always be involved. HR should be involved, but it shouldn't be outsourced to them, No employee should ever actually be surprised they weren't performing. We don't always get it right.”
Acknowledgement, "we're sorry", and then quickly forgotten as the news cycles moves on. This will have no lasting effects. Everyone will have forgotten this by next week.
Edit: You also left this out...
He added that “sometimes underperforming employees don't actually listen to the feedback they've gotten before we let them go.” He also explained that letting someone go doesn't necessarily brand them as a bad employee. “It doesn't mean (they) won't be really, really great somewhere else,” said Mr Prince.
People said that the API revolt on reddit would change nothing and yet here we both are discussing the terrible behaviour of yet another corporation on a completely different platform to reddit that I would never even have known about if it weren't for exactly this kind of story. I believe things do change and I certainly won't forget that Cloudflare did this and I suspect you won't either.
Cloudflare isn't a social media site where all the users discussed the revolt on the site. Most people outside of IT don't even know what Cloudflare is or that it even exists. A lot of people don't even know what Reddit is.
And by next week, they'll forget because they don't ever plan to apply there for work. The small percentage of people that will avoid applying there because of this is a small drop in the bucket of people that will still apply. This is no where near as important as some people make it out to be.
Yet the CEO felt the need to try to do some damage limitation. Clearly he doesn't share your confidence about the lack of impact this could have on the company's reputation.
To get ahead of it and control the narrative. They were publicly accused of a wrongful dismissal. That has huge legal connotations, whether she realized that or not. But the corporation has all their legal ducks in a row. She hasn't exposed anything but her own inexperience. Really, if she did have a wrongful dismissal case, she likely overplayed her hand by publishing the video so soon. She'll get employment insurance, but that's all she'll get at this point.
I'm finding this confusing. On the one hand you are adamant this will have no impact for them but then also say this could have huge legal connotations for them. Which is it? It can't be both.
No, it has huge legal connotations for her. If she had a wrongful dismissal case, then she should have brought the video and the documentation to a lawyer instead of blasting it out to the world. Now the legal department that has a team of lawyers working to advise the CEO and making sure she doesn't have a case, whether she actually had one or not. That's why it will be reported as fired without cause. If she was told she was fired with cause but it's reported as without cause and she can still claim employment insurance, then she has no case. If she had kept her mouth shut and let them process the termination, she might have had something combined with the video. Now she has nothing, and this will be forgotten by next week.
Patience is a virtue, especially when you're being fired.
"Now she has nothing" - You shouldn't underestimate the impact of going viral. If she'd kept quiet no one would have ever known about the way Cloudflare behaved. Now she's gone viral globally and her 1 day old LinkedIn post about this situation has (so far) collected 4,260 reactions, 547 comments and 128 reposts. You can bet your bottom dollar that Matthew Prince is not sleeping soundly tonight. It's going to be rather interesting to see what happens next...
Again, come back to me in a week and show me the impact. Prince isn't losing any more sleep on this than the other 39 people that were let go. It's just business to him.
Alright, let's play this game. Firstly a week is nothing so let's make it 3 months and let's begin by being clear about what "no impact" means. It seems to me twofold. On the one hand there's the impact on Cloudflare's share price and then more directly the impact on Brittany Pietsch. If she gets no more job offers than she would have if she'd kept quiet then I guess that would be "no impact" number one. Cloudflare's share price has risen since November last year from 54.95USD to its current price of 79.37USD. If there is no great change in three months then that would be "no impact" number two. Let's see what happens ;)
What happens to Brittany Pietsch at this point is on Brittany Pietsch. It's up to her to show how she can be a valuable employee.
This will have absolutely no effect on the share price. To think that laying off 40 people out of a huge organization, even if one went "viral" for a few days, will have any effect is wishful thinking. Speculating on the possible effects is only an exercise for the people that want to feel outrage over something. People in this thread are talking about having PTSD from episodes like this. It's just a whole lot of complaining that will go nowhere, just like it has for decades. Cloudflare customers will not care about this, and that's all that really matters. And unlike Reddit, Cloudflare hasn't pissed off their products and drove them away to other platforms. The company will be fine...
So it's been a week. Cloudflare isn't in the news anymore. No one on this site is talking about the incident anymore. Brittany Pietsch has done nothing but complain and "hit back" at the comments 4 days ago. And the stock price has gone up.
I don't expect you to acknowledge any of this, but knowing that I was completely 100% right is reward enough.
Looks like something changed so let's review. The conditions were that this would have no impact on Cloudflare or Brittany. Apart from Cloudflare looking like dicks in the most public and embarrassing way imaginable, Brittany's landed a nice new job most likely thanks to all the visibility she generated. I would imagine she was offered a ton of jobs the minute she went viral and is only now officially able to announce the one she picked. Well done her. You mentioned being used to being 100% right so you must know the feeling well. I have to say, I see why you like it so much cos I'm certainly enjoying this ;)
I mean, you asked me to come back to you if something happens that demonstrates "impact" and I did. If you don't care about this why don't you take the high road right now and just not reply...
Hmm, but the HR people said they didn’t have any documentation, and if she hasn’t had a bad performance review prior to this meeting then there isn’t a paper trail showing poor performance.
If they generate some documentation after this meeting that shows poor performance, wouldn’t that kind of be a smoking gun for a fraud case? Because it seems pretty clear that the intent is to defraud her of unemployment benefits by claiming that she was fired with cause.
Yes, if they do that. And then she'll have more evidence for a wrongful dismissal lawsuit. But they won't. They'll report that she was fired without cause. Speculating on the official cause does nothing but allow people to feel upset about it.
Which she deserves as she’s being fired because of their mistake and (presumably) nothing she did wrong. It was irresponsible to bring her on…what? 3mo before canning her? I can’t remember the exact timeline she gives.
Severance isn’t a rental security deposit. One shouldn’t have to fight for it if they were doing a reasonable job. If you don’t plan on paying out severance, then it should not be part of the contract.
Everything about how to handle this I completely agree. But I do want to introduce one little wrinkle. I think there’s something to be said about being honest when it comes to layoffs. In particular because they are claiming this is because of her performance.
Now we can debate whether or not she is a reliable narrator and all of that, I don’t really want to get bogged down in all that, but I do think that if your employer tells you you are being fired because you did a bad job then you are completely within bounds to push back and defend yourself. Because that is a pretty serious accusation and means you can’t call on them to give you a referral/recommendation for your next job. That puts you in a bad position. I can’t think of any employers who want you to tell them that they should not contact your previous employer.
Yes, you are complete within bounds to push back and defend yourself. But in the end, it changes nothing. All that matters is what they put in the official record. If you're fired without cause, regardless of the reason they gave, then you can apply for employment insurance. If you were fired with cause, and you can prove that cause was bullshit like in this case where there was no performance improvement plan or any other written indication of a performance problem, then you can sue them for wrongful dismissal. It's that simple. The actual meeting and the excuse they give you is meaningless, all that matters is what goes on the official record that is reported to the government.
It’s not exactly great to start off being defensive about why you were let go from your previous employer. Which she is going to have to do because any job is going to want to talk to her previous employer. If she accepts that she was let go because of a bad job, again, that is really bad for her. So I think it does change something. I would argue it changes quite a lot!
I get what you’re saying, but I’m not debating about unemployment insurance. I know the parameters for receiving it, I have been on it myself. This is about her ability to move to her next job, which they have now negatively impacted.
What you tell the next company is up to you. As long as you were on good terms with your previous manager and they are willing to give you a reference, you can tell the next company anything you want. And most companies will already know what happened when it's a large public layoff like this. This won't affect her ability to find another job unless she gets defensive about it which never looks good in an interview.
Amazon has enacted a rather dumb rule with regard to paid product reviews. I was contacted about a year ago by a chinese company I have bought a lot of electronics from and left positive reviews for in the past. They offered me deep discounts (via rebate) on products if I left reviews after purchasing and using them for a while (no ‘has to be positive’ strings attached). I reviewed a couple of their products last year and put a disclaimer about being partially compensated for the review at the top. One of the products wasn’t great (it was a bottom of the barrel budget phone) and I gave it a middling review.
I didn’t hear from them for a while, then about 3 months ago they reached out with two more products they were asking me to review. Same deal. I submitted reviews this time and they got rejected because it is apparently now against Amazon’s policies to publish compensated reviews. I resubmitted the reviews with my disclaimer removed and they published them. Kinda crappy on their part that they won’t allow reviewers to divulge that information.
I always disclose in my reviews if the seller tried to bribe me and that I refused. I have yet to have one taken down for that, and I figure that’s something people might want to know.
The word “dictator” comes from the Roman Republic, where it was meant to be only for temporary usage. Then Caesar just didn’t give up the power. When challenged he marched his armies into Rome. Now whenever we use dictator, we use it to describe the actions of people like Caesar, rather than it’s original use case.
Emergency powers have always and will always be abused.
Yeah. Your item on Amazon often will say “order fulfilled by Company Y.” You can look that company up to see if you can order directly from them, that way they still get the sale without Bezos taking his cut.
I did this a few times. Ordered directly from the company instead of through Amazon. But then an expensive order didn’t show up. Amazon would have replaced it. But others companies’ policies are not so customer friendly. I was in the middle of contesting the charge 3 weeks later when a neighbor showed up at my front door with the package. Said he found it while clearing brush along our common road.
Now I only buy through Amazon. If the neighbor had not been honest, I could have been out $280. And yes, we do have a problem with overworked USPS drivers leaving packages at the bottom of the road.
Same, but I’ve got away without buying from Amazon for 5+ years now, so I’m pretty sure anyone can do it.
A couple of times a package I ordered from some random website would come in an amazon box, just because they incidentally use the service, but that was it.
They got me with the free prime delivery. I’ll get, like, a single bottle of Tylenol delivered. My husband likes the card benefits, so they got him there. Plus, sometimes we watch shows and movies if Netflix or Youtube doesn’t have them (we only pirate if what we want can’t be found elsewhere, since we are fortnate enough to be able to pay for the media we consume)
I hate to say it, but… it’s a great service
But even I can walk away, and stand in solidarity with workers. They deserve better, and Amazon can afford to give it to them
Nothing will come out of that strike. It’s just 1 day and then back to being a wage slave. If anything, it will prove to Amazon that they, Amazon, are pulling the levers. In order for a strike to be effective, it has to last until changes are agreed upon which is impossible without a strong union.
That dipshit was so close to getting it, yet so far.
Menthol cigarette advertising was/is targeted heavily to black people. It’s possible that banning menthol will give people the nudge they need to quit, so it could end up helping black people more than average.
I still haven’t figured out how the FDA decided that flavored nicotine in vapes was, in any way, a valid marketing concept. I get allowing it for cessation and limiting it to unflavored, but to intentionally put it in a product as a feature? (yes, I’m aware companies put caffeine in products, and I do drink those products - as an addictive substance, I’m okay with prohibiting it).
At least someone can argue that caffeine serves a purpose. If you want to stay wired, there ya go, and it isn’t nearly as addictive as nicotine. You’re right about flavored vapes, though. That’s some bullshit.
Sounds about right. My state passed some fairly extensive gun reform laws, and someone tried to tell me that smaller magazine sizes would impact black people most “because the wealthy white people will buy all the large clips”
Israel would never allow Palestinians to have a mass gathering a mile from the border, but when it’s on the Israeli side people from all over the globe showed up for a music festival.
Because everyone thought no matter how terribly Israel treated Palestinians, the Palestinians couldn’t do anything in response.
I guess they never heard about how dangerous a cornered animal was, they thought the Palestinians would just take all the human rights abuses in silence.
Their only other alternative is to stand by while “settlers” under the protection of armed IDF kept crossing into Palestine and kicking them off their land.
In this situation it was a Pyrrhic victory or slow annihilation.
There’s no outcome where they win. So they can lay down and wait to die, or die fighting.
Put a human and those conditions and they will act like a cornered animal eventually… It’s basic psychology, it’s been there longer than we’ve been hominids. Opossums and those feinting sheep are the only mammals that don’t have that instinct.
The only thing they have achieved is burning bridges of support worldwide, which will not be rebuilt
Ah yes, clearly the only options an oppressed people have are to do nothing or to murder and rape attendees of a music festival. There are no other choices!
In terms of „soft power“: they lost a lot of goodwill with politicians worldwide. No sane politician supports the killing of innocent civilians.
Hamas also successfully silenced Israelis that oppose their own government. This probably is what Hamas wants though.
Since you are using a cornered animal metaphor: how the fuck did those foreign civilians corner THIS animal? And spare me your „but Israel“ excuses - those killed tourists didn’t have to do ANYTHING with this.
“There will be no suspension of payments” at the moment, a terse European Commission statement said late Monday, five hours after EU Commissioner Oliver Varhelyi had said that all payments from the development program for Palestinians would be “immediately suspended. All projects put under review. All new budget proposals … postponed until further notice.”
Did you mean “likely won’t last”? Because yeah, the EU already came to their senses
I went to Israel and Palestine a couple of years ago, when I first arrived in Jerusalem and heard the air raid sirens I was so afraid and asked my AirBnb host where the shelters are where we should go because rockets are coming. He told me to relax and that I don’t have to be afraid that normally no rockets make it to Jerusalem …
I also went to Hebron and talked to a lot of people there for my podcast, and they tell about their horrible situation anyone who would listen - but sadly nobody cares. I came to the same conclusion as you:
There’s no outcome where they win.
The only way for peace in that region is when Israel finally does their genocide and annihilates all Palestinians. Not because they deserve any of it, but only because they are so much stronger and there is just nothing the Palestinians can do. Nobody from the outside cares and they know it. It is getting even more obvious now that more arab countries are moving on and try to normalize ties with Israel.
So many of them have been living in a concentration camp for several generations, it’s just beyond sad.
But I have also to say that in the north, especially in Nazareth, for some reason both Palestinians and Jews live in quite ok peace together, they wear the same clothes, they eat the same food, you wouldn’t even be able to point out who is who there.
I realize many people will be mad about my comment, that’s ok, it’s a very confusing conflict there which has been going on for probably thousands of years already.
But I have also to say that in the north, especially in Nazareth, for some reason both Palestinians and Jews live in quite ok piece together, they wear the same clothes, they eat the same food, you wouldn’t even be able to point out who is who there.
That’s how it all was before European royalty created Israel
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