retrospectology,
@retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

What does a spy plane even report on Gaza?

“Yup, there’s still a bunch of innocent men, women and children crammed into an unlivable space with nowhere to go, right where you left them. Looks like there’s a building still standing if you want to take care of that.”

AdamEatsAss,

“don’t bomb here, there are a lot of civilians”-UK probably “Lol thanks, programming missiles now”-Israel

db0,

Where the children are playing so that they can precicely target them of course. Wouldn’t want to waste missiles to not hit any innocents.

ours,

It listens to mobile phones and radios.

The kind of spy plane used to hunt down Pablo Escobar, not the kind to photograph troop movements in the USSR.

lemmyman, (edited )

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  • retrospectology,
    @retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

    Nothing about the way Israel is conducting the genocide indicates that they care about targeting Hamas specifically. It’s why they bomb hospitals, schools, residences and why they execute doctors, bury children alive etc.

    This idea that they’re waging a “war” is nonsensical, which is why it’s absurd to think that there’s some kind of sophisticated spy campaign guiding their actions.

    FlyingSquid,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Israel has an enemy apart from ‘anyone on the ground who is still alive’ at this point?

    Because it doesn’t seem to be about Hamas anymore.

    NuXCOM_90Percent,

    Israel and Hamas both never cared about the Palestinians. Hamas leadership continue to kick back and relax by the pool in Other Country.

    But there are likely still troops on the ground. As well as people who were radicalized by seeing their entire family get wiped out in a bombing because a pesky journalist was walking by.

    And… that is the real problem. Because we (The West) have seen what happens when you just nope out of a conflict in this region. you get islamic state powers taking over that are totally not directly allied with iran. And that causes massive issues for everyone down the line.

    Tryptaminev,

    Just a practical thought. If it was true that Hamas leadership would be relaxing in other countries, why and how would they hold on to power?

    The rank and file now that they and their family can be murdered by Israel any time. So the threat of death is not keeping them in line. And they are also not getting any money.

    So unless you know some way that i haven’t thought about, the only way how Hamas leadership can lead, is by them actually caring to do what their members want.

    Also you are dead wrong about ISIS. ISIS is an enemy of Iran as was seen with the latest terror attacks on Iran and their continued attacks on Iraq and Syria. ISIS is in the pockets of western allies like Saudi Arabia.

    NuXCOM_90Percent,

    Because Hamas are not the heroic freedom fighters that internet people have decided they must be.

    They are a terrorist organization who basically gained de facto political and military control of the Palestinian people (with just a bit of help from the Israeli government…). In large part because the PLO were (allegedly) starting to get too much traction and it is a lot easier to fight against bloodthirsty savages.

    So yes, they do have some boots on the ground to organize the radicalized victims of both sides and point them at Israel/the IDF. But the actual leadership are kicking back and relaxing while making big political statements about the kind of ceasefire they would accept. Just like any other politicians.

    Tryptaminev,

    The question whether Hamas is a Terror organization is entirely unrelated to what i am asking you. Do you know why Governments from Exile dont work? Do you know why Zelensky made a point of proving that he stayed in Kiev, when the Russian invasion started? Because you cannot lead from the outside, unless you have the support on the inside.

    So who is giving that support and why? Again, Hamas rank and file inside Gaza are at constant risk of death, as are their families. Why would they take that ristk for a bad leadership enjoying itself somewhere else?

    This has nothing to do with the kind or quality of an organization. The same question can be asked about any form of organization.

    NuXCOM_90Percent,

    Organizations like the United States where Dubyah (of all people) was directing a war against The Enemies of America on the other side of the planet? Or putin and his generals and their attempted genocide in Ukraine?

    This is bog standard. Do you think bin laden was personally visiting every single al qaeda fighter on the regular? Do you think isis/isil leadership are doing the same? No. They basically have the equivalent of NCOs and junior officers leading terror cells that do the actual work while they live in luxury.

    Dukeofdummies,
    Dukeofdummies avatar

    That's what I was wondering, it's 12km at it's widest, so 6 km max from the border. A balloon, a series of drones a spyplane has range, which Israel doesn't need. The same drones that were keeping eyes on the George Floyd protests in Minneapolis could stay in the air longer and use less fuel.

    Even then either is going to just show groups of people, you'd need hours of steady footage to even attempt to make deductions. I would've figured it'd be a stream of several drones for 24/7 coverage.

    Heresy_generator,
    Heresy_generator avatar

    declassifieduk.org

    Gee, I wonder what this site is. Let's just search for "Ukraine" and see what we get:

    Polish minister ‘saw UK special forces operating in Ukraine’

    Contamination fears after Ukraine loses British tank

    Cluster bombs for Ukraine? A warning from Kosovo

    UK military figures warn ministers about Ukraine

    British warmongering is driving Europe towards catastrophe in Ukraine

    Revealed: Russian neo-Nazi leader obtained UK missiles in Ukraine

    Pro-ISIS fighter in Ukraine received UK missiles and ‘SAS training’

    Oh, it's a Kremlin propaganda outlet. Thanks for sharing.

    victorz,

    Well that’s disappointing. Not sure whether to down vote or leave be, since OP does seem to be anti Israel, which is commendable.

    FlyingSquid,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Thanks for that. I’m going to get rid of this for being an unreliable source. I didn’t do the due diligence I should have.

    rayyy,

    But Biden.

    frankgrimeszz,

    Immigrants drowning while crossing ocean to get away from war zone, UK does nothing.

    Israel decides to bomb civilians into the ground:

    TimeNaan,

    It’s not that they do nothing. They put the survivors on a filthy, overcrowded prison ship. Then deport them to Rwanda, a country they declared “safe” by decree.

    Skua,

    That's not true at all

    We now deport those people to Rwanda

    frankgrimeszz,

    If they don’t drown before reaching the shores of England, then they’re deported to Rwanda.

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