CA_Hawthorne,
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AI crossing the line

It never crosses the line.

Humans using it cross the line.

If it tells the writer a sentence is wrong, that’s fine. If the writer substitutes the sentence AI provides, that’s the line crossed.

And that's just the little stuff.

I shouldn’t have to explain this.

NaraMoore,
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@CA_Hawthorne

And guns don't kill
The person pulling the trigger does.

AI as implemented is immoral, it is created by exploitation and implements more exploitation.

CA_Hawthorne,
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@NaraMoore Guns do kill, which is why we’re at fault for not eradicating them. People have used the forerunner of so-called AI for a long while every time they text and accept suggestions. We become outraged, then normalize. In the end, it’s about human weakness and not doing the right thing. Ban guns. Restrict AI. Quit blaming anything and everything else for our failings.

18+ mybarkingdogs,
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@NaraMoore @CA_Hawthorne I kind of agree here because I remember (and have been burned in the discourse over) all of the Discourse for everything from Photoshop to electronic music/sampling to writing fanfic (or writing specific types like slash)

Unsatisfyingly, aside from a very few absolute moral horizons (not depicting minors in sexualized ways, not spreading hate, not plagiarizing) at the extremes, a lot of the ethical/moral lines there are personal, not absolute 1/2

18+ mybarkingdogs,
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@NaraMoore @CA_Hawthorne So that's why I think the various AI/LLM/machine learning debates will end up in that same place - there's unquestionably harmful uses/user behaviors that need to be stopped, there's also a whole world of gray areas and personal ethics vs "required for everyone" ethical stances, etc

Like, obviously it's beyond abominable to use AI to generate lewd images or to fight war, but whether to use it to correct grammar is far more squishy and gray 2/2

18+ mybarkingdogs,
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@NaraMoore @CA_Hawthorne (Somewhat off topic, yet on, I remember when any digital art was frowned on for not being Meaningful and True Art like that produced by painting/drawing, when phone and digital camera photography was shunned as Not Real Photography because to be a Real Photographer you had to be film only with a darkroom, when electronic music was considered Not Real Music because people like me could be producers/samplers/beat makers without instrument training...)

18+ NaraMoore,
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@mybarkingdogs @CA_Hawthorne

We are talking about different things.

ML is not abhorrent in and of itself. It is as it has been implemented and used.

Photographs of existing art without credit or payment of royalties is piracy and plagiarism.

Producing photography, and digitized art in sweatshops where the workers breathe toxic fumes is abhorrent.

Producing fanfiction or digitized art and passing it off as produced by human artists is a forgery.

We can quibble over terms and exact comparisons. But right now AI is based on theft and exploitation. It is used to make forgeries.

18+ mybarkingdogs,
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@NaraMoore @CA_Hawthorne you are entirely correct, I apologize for not using the correct terminology to define assisting human work and entirely autogenerated, and I did not have a condemnatory enough tone to signal that I am in agreement with you for the most part.

Thank you for the discipline I much needed to receive. :)

18+ NaraMoore,
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@mybarkingdogs

¿Discipline?

Moore-sensei was happy to be of assistance

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