realsshrestha, to drupal
@realsshrestha@phpc.social avatar

I gotta get this off my chest but has the worst fucking representatives.

Want I mean is the people introducing Drupal to the people PAYING for the development are usually PMs without a freaking clue of how things work.

It just makes everyone hate the system. Including developers.

You know who doesn’t have this problem? Microsoft Sitecore or Adobe CQ5 because these companies actually spend resources for their marketing materials.

Damn it!

jurgenhaas,
@jurgenhaas@fosstodon.org avatar

@realsshrestha
Hmm, that's a bit broad. Would you accept that there are very competent people in the community? Including PMs? I'm struggling to believe they're all dumb.

Also, the has some significant projects underway to actually do real marketing for the project. But sure, the competitors you mentioned have been doing this for much longer. Still, we have no reason to give up.

DaleTrexel, to drupal
@DaleTrexel@drupal.community avatar

Why does make it so impossible to figure out the markup for referencing another issue by # in a new issue?

DaleTrexel,
@DaleTrexel@drupal.community avatar

@jurgenhaas The spends so much time and energy on Big Initiatives to build community when there are many, many little things that could be fixed to reduce friction for contributors, all of which go ignored.

symfonystation, to Symfony
@symfonystation@phpc.social avatar
ruby, to drupal

In the community we're hearing the term "Open Web" being used a lot lately. The hosting service has used it to justify their platforming hate groups such as the "Alliance Defending Freedom." https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/04/webops-platform-pantheon-defends-hosting-hate-groups-as-developers-quit/

And now the has issued their own Open Web Manifesto https://www.drupal.org/open-web-manifesto which specifically references inclusion and diversity as requirements while expressing no awareness or concern about how the "Open Web" is being used as a dog whistle for free speech absolutists that don't mind seeing many of us marginalized, attacked, and pushed out of the community.

I assume that the DA have good intentions about the potential of the Open Web to create a more open and free society. However to repeat this term without recognizing that it is already being used within our community to rationalize behavior that does the opposite of what they claim to be working for is either naive or disingenuous.

We can't make the world or our community better by ignoring the problems it has. A true commitment to diversity and inclusion means making an effort to change the systems that have made tech famously homogeneous and hostile to people who don't fit the mold. So I would like to know whether @dries sees Drupal's Open Web Manifesto as aligned with Pantheon's position https://pantheon.io/platform-content-position that protecting the "Open Web" means they must do nothing about actual hate speech and campaigns to deny human rights.

I just don't think we can have it both ways.

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