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Cripple. History Major. Vaguely left-wing.

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Yeah, every day I see these memes they get more pathetic.

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If beating trump is all that matters, why the fuck are we running Joe Biden against him?

Okay.

Name who is running for the Dem nomination who will perform better than Joe Biden.

Go.

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It’s not our job to come up with a solution to a problem

Yeah, that's about the response I expected.

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Moderates and liberals are free to come up with a solution. They are the majority of the voters after all. What’s their solution?

"Vote for Joe Biden considering that he's the best actual candidate running"?

I dunno man, maybe we just don't think "Surrender to fascism because we want to teach the DNC A Lesson(tm) like we TOTALLY did in 2016, 2004, and 2000" is a viable option. Guess we're just not left-wing enough to understand that making sure fascism wins is the REAL left-wing praxis. /s

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We did. In 2020. And then Biden proceeded to cater exclusively to moderate and liberals and left progressives and leftists out in the cold.

Fucking lmao.

Respectfully, we reject giving that “solution” a second try.

Yeah, we get it, you crave fascism, you can stop shouting it from the rooftops.

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How am I supposed to know what was going through your mind in 2020, or, for that matter, what you voted?

All I know is that at this point in time, when fascism is rapidly approaching, your preferred route is "Let it win, because Biden Bad."

Forgive me for not being quite so eager to go the camps, nor being quite so willing to murder minorities and LGBT folk for the sake of feeling smug and sticking it to The Man.

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Explanation: The arts in the Classical period are often seen as more refined and skillful. Rather than being a loss of technology, it represents a loss of transference of 'tribal' knowledge - with the collapse of the Hellenic connections across the Mediterranean and the Roman Empire, localized losses of artists, due to economic or social factors, became more damaging to the artistic community of all of Europe. There was less opportunity for them to spread their knowledge to apprentices who would go to far-off places, such as in the wide patronage of Hellenic civilization, or the relatively robust and fluid labor market of the Roman Empire.

When they died, techniques often had to be 'reinvented' by simple observation, or by the transference of skills from non-professional artists, which, combined with the expense of materials and lesser patronage of the arts, greatly restricts the development of artistic skills in a society. Great artists still arose in the Medieval period, but did not have the same opportunities to pass on their skills to apprentices - or, at least not a community of apprentices and peers robust enough to preserve and spread their skills even when localized or national catastrophes struck. It's not until the ~13th century that a sustained revival of the arts begins to take place. (Love me some 8th-9th century Carolingian Renaissance though)

Part of it is stylistic though - sizing in particular. Medieval styles emphasized size as a matter of importance, while Classical Antiquity generally attempted to represent size with a more realistic than stylistic bend.

Also, the forward-facing perspective on the Medieval horse here is almost uniquely bad. But we're here for memes, right? XD

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I mean, most of the classic cartoons have it as very give-and-take. Tom is more often the loser, because a mouse is the underdog and a mouse winning is generally funnier, but it's not usually assigned a moral component.

‘Get on a plane’: Danish minister urged to meet Greenland coil scandal women (www.theguardian.com)

The Danish health minister should “get on a plane and visit” some of the thousands of women thought to be living with the consequences of being forcibly fitted with the contraceptive coil as children, Greenland’s gender equality minister has said....

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Guess I'm back for more.

I accept that all of the things you’ve talked about are real forms of oppression. The difference here is that I don’t agree that it should be called racism.

I'd dispute that it isn't racism, as application of sociological definition for the purpose of narrow and highly academic discussions with general usage, but that's not the primary problem here. I find what it's called less important than acknowledging in it. In this thread, there's a lot of "White people can't be hurt by being denigrated", not just denying that it's called racism. That's what hurts here. I look around here and all I see is hostility in what is a fairly left-space. I can quote people in this very thread quite clearly saying, "You're white. White is bad. Get over it."

I don’t agree that the solution is to stop talking about the problems with whiteness. Whiteness as a concept hurts everyone.

I'm not trying to protect the concept of whiteness or say that we should stop talking about white privilege. But when you denigrate 'white people', you are denigrating a group of people for their ancestry - full stop. It doesn't matter that you mean it in a different way than common usage. When you start describing things as 'white' you are necessarily adding an either positive or negative connotation to being 'white', which is something that is largely decided by society and observers, not your intentions.

Of course it hurts POC more than it hurts white people, but it isn’t a zero-sum game. White people in general aren’t helped in any way by it. That’s not what privilege means in this context. It means that the boot that stomps on us is less forceful and has smaller cleats.

At no point have I defended white privilege, man. White privilege can and should be overthrown. That's completely separate from the point here.

The point of calling some people white and others not is to divide people.

So was the point of calling people 'Black' - and if you dispute that, I have a whole laundry list of historical examples to go down that predate the creation of a cohesive and empowering sense of unified Black culture. Yet if you started associating negative qualities with 'Blackness' and objected "I'm not saying BLACK PEOPLE are bad, I'm just saying BLACKNESS is bad, which is a state of mind", I mean, fuck, that's outright 'racist uncle' shite.

Regardless of whether or not you like it, when you say 'white', a large number of people hear you addressing them, because that's how they're addressed by society, conservative and liberal; light-skinned and dark-skinned. When you say 'white', that refers to, by linguistic consensus, a very large group of people based on their racial origin, not their opinions or their recognition or lack thereof of their own privilege. And when you start assigning qualities to 'whiteness' itself, this context necessarily translates into a denigration of the individual by a denigration of an arbitrary group that has no inherent moral quality to it.

That doesn’t mean that attacking whiteness as a concept is divisive - it is attacking a mechanism of division. The point here is that there is absolutely nothing to be gained by protecting the concept of whiteness.

Again. At no point have I defended the concept of whiteness. The entire concept of racial categories is absurd except as a social construct.

We’re not attacking individual people and saying they suck because they are white. It really isn’t personal at all. The concept of whiteness is based on privilege, which means being able to ignore the suffering of people who were affected by genocide and who are still living. I think that’s what they mean when they call it a very white way of thinking.

But white is pretty widely considered to be a category based on phenotype and cultural recognition of phenotype - it doesn't matter that you don't mean that individual people suck because they're white. It doesn't matter when some old coot calls something "cotton-pickin'" as a means of degrading it that he doesn't MEAN it in a racist way, or that he's not using it towards an individual, much less a Black individual. It is still generally heard by Black folk as a whole as denigrating. And no amount of "You just have to understand..." or "This isn't directed at you..." can change that.

However, dealing with and healing from that hurt requires correctly identifying its source, and it’s easy to land on wrong answers to that question, and that’s a large part of why I think this is important.

I think it's important too, which is why I take such issue with racializing positive and negative qualities, like points of view. Avoiding the idea that using racialized descriptors is bad simply because the core of modern racial categories is centered around the privilege of whiteness does not mean that racialized descriptors are innocent of implicit or explicit bigotry.

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