Alphastream, 5 months ago

@bedirthan I am very curious whether other sections will shrink this way, becoming more mechanical.

Tim_Eagon, 5 months ago

@bedirthan What are the changes?

bedirthan, 5 months ago

@Tim_Eagon the removal of TIBF is confirmed.
ASI are now only part of backgrounds.

I'm writing about this soon

Tim_Eagon, 5 months ago

@bedirthan I'm so unexcited by anything 5e at this point.

Alphastream, 5 months ago

@Tim_Eagon @bedirthan

bedirthan, 5 months ago

@Alphastream @Tim_Eagon my previous writing on this disappointment
https://fullmoonstorytelling.com/2022/11/06/the-mistake-of-abandoning-personality-via-one-dd/

Tim_Eagon, 5 months ago

@bedirthan @Alphastream Yeah, the example that Teos posted was not exactly inspiring.

richgreen01, 5 months ago

@Tim_Eagon @bedirthan @Alphastream do those new feats replace the background feature?

bedirthan, 5 months ago

@richgreen01 @Tim_Eagon @Alphastream yes, from playtest 1 Feats have replaced the old features

Tim_Eagon, 5 months ago

@Alphastream @bedirthan Why not just make Ability Score modifications floating? Also, I don't like how they're doing languages.

phd20, 5 months ago

@Tim_Eagon @Alphastream @bedirthan By "floating" are you referring to the Customizing Your Origins options in Tasha’s?

Tim_Eagon, 5 months ago

@phd20 @Alphastream @bedirthan pretty much. Just say here’s a +2 and a +1, do whatever you want.

phd20, 5 months ago

@Alphastream @Tim_Eagon @bedirthan 🙋 I will timidly raise my hand and say that this design actually intrigues me.

Then I'll run off into a dark corner.

bedirthan, 5 months ago

@phd20 @Alphastream @Tim_Eagon I like Floating as the primary way to distribute. Kobold's idea of just increasing the array and point buy to reflect that is also very good.

Level Up splitting one bonus from background and one floating is good. I'd prefer if Wizards went that route, probably.

Tim_Eagon, 5 months ago

@phd20 @Alphastream @bedirthan Because ability score modifiers are now tied to background, you're going to constrain the number of background/class combos. That doesn't really matter in 2014 5e because mechanically, backgrounds are a collection of tool, skill, and language proficiencies that don't really interact directly with your class. For example, the Artisan providing +2 to Intelligence and +1 to Charisma means you'll probably see way fewer fighters with the artisan background.

Tim_Eagon, 5 months ago

@phd20 @Alphastream @bedirthan Second, I don't like how acquiring languages are handled. Using the Artisan example again, you learn Gnomish because so much crafting jargon originates from that language. That's analogous to scientists today being fluent in Latin and Greek because so much scientific terminology originates with those languages. It's just dumb. And if the point of all this is to eliminate racial monocultures, why are we reinforcing racial monocultures through backgrounds?

#DND

Tim_Eagon, 5 months ago

@phd20 @Alphastream @bedirthan The reason why 2014 PHB backgrounds were so great is because they expanded characters instead of constraining them. The 2024 approach is a total step backwards.

#DND

kenmarable, 5 months ago

@Tim_Eagon @phd20 @Alphastream @bedirthan Most changes I'm don't get really worked about even if I don't like them. But languages for backgrounds just REALLY grated me, especially when I saw (at least in the UA) that gladiators get orcish. The WotC design team really don't understand the problems with monocultures, orcs/racism, etc. and it's only been fan complaints and the hard work of consultants & freelancers that have lead to any progress.

They truly do not understand the problem. At. All.