Reddit Admins Deny Subreddit Users the Right to Vote for Further Blackouts

Like many other subreddits, r/Finland is allowing its users to vote for whether or not they should a) reopen as normal, b) remain closed, or c) remain in protest mode.

However, the admins just sent them a nastygram essentially saying that's not allowed:

Your community sees well over 2 million unique visitors each month. Allowing a small segment of those users to make a decision for a community forever does not make sense. There are a huge number of people that use this space now and who will in the future

Polling to close is not a viable option that will return a result that resolves this situation

However, mods can also see traffic stats, which show them as closer to 20k uniques per month. My guess is that this is a copy/pasted message and a whole bunch of subreddits are getting this notice.

I thought this was a particularly nasty new development, since up until now the excuse has been that we can't let these Landed Gentry dictate the state of our subreddits, but now they're explicitly saying that they also don't care about how the users of a subreddit vote either.

originalucifer,
originalucifer avatar

wont someone think of the chil...community!

dandb,
dandb avatar

Turns out that owning those means of production is the only way to be sure you don't get kicked out by some snotnosed wannabe dictator.

fupuyifi,
fupuyifi avatar

Based on that logic, how do the powers to be at Reddit feel about American Presidential elections?

Whoever is on the team working out all these strategies are just copying rules straight out of an authoritarian Government’s little red playbook.
“You are not allowed to protest!”
“You are only allowed to protest using Government approved methods”

Lells,
Lells avatar

TBF, American Presidential elections are already pretty controlled to guarantee certain outcomes, given how only 2 parties are ever really given any sort of legitimacy by the media. Throw in gerrymandering, and voting fraud, etc.

ilex,
@ilex@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, but Reddit isn't a government. If you start protesting Target's treatment of child workers while inside a Target, they're going to kick you out.

Reddit is being two faced though. If Target invited you to protest in their store, and then kicked you out, you would think that's shitty.

falkerie71,
@falkerie71@sh.itjust.works avatar

Allowing a small segment of those users to make a decision for a community forever does not make sense.

That's not how democracy works. If you don't vote, you're compliant to whatever the voters decide.

DmMacniel,

A small segment of users... So like Moderators in general?

DaGuys470,
DaGuys470 avatar

2 million individual users that had a chance to participate. That's literally how democracy works.

AnonStoleMyPants,

Lmao right? Everyone gets the voting slip but nobody if forcing you to vote. If you don't then the people who do decide what happens.

torafugu,
torafugu avatar

The way I see it is, when Relay's free version goes, I go. I don't care how many times they fuck up. If the protests don't work, I'm outta there.

davysnavy,

I don't think a company has every convinced me this hard to leave their platform. What a bunch of greedy idiots

SeedyOne,

This has been an incredible lesson on what NOT to do.

Thorned_Rose, (edited )
Thorned_Rose avatar

Reddit keeps moving the goalposts, the mods adapt, Reddit comes back with "No, wait, not like that!!" and the mods adapt again.... this cycle moves Reddit more and more towards a dictatorship and completely at odds with their own Content Policy:

The culture of each community is shaped explicitly, by the community rules enforced by moderators, and implicitly, by the upvotes, downvotes, and discussions of its community members.

People are already in open revolt. It's only a matter of time before a huge swath of the decent mods that genuinely care about their communities will be left with no choice but to throw in the towel completely. And Reddit will be left with a bunch of scabs, egotistical mods and bad actors/bots to take over modding (or no mods at all)... and Reddit's journey towards enshittification will be complete.

TWeaK,

Users don't own subreddits unless they make them. The user who makes the subreddit owns and moderates the sub, and has the authority to delegate moderation to others. If you don't like how a subreddit is run, you're supposed to make your own, not take it over.

Reddit's admins are making up the rules as they go along.

Thorned_Rose,
Thorned_Rose avatar

Reddit admins acting in complete opposition to Reddit's own Content Policy 🤦🏻‍♀️

RosalynKirk,

That's not true. What they said was that the users who voted make up a tiny portion of the overall userbase.

However, you can't force them all to vote. You can only ask and accept the answer of the active ones that choose to participate.

Reddit must be exhausted playing these ethics games. Just admit that they want to kill 3rd party apps and they're not going to tolerate malicious compliance with the rules.

KKSakura,
KKSakura avatar

Reddit: "Democracy is what I say it is"

metaStatic,

Redditors don't have rights. What are you talking about?

hiyaaaaa23,

I have no words left

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