Brought to you by the same folks who introduced you to: considering a woman’s rape to NOT be a violent crime against the woman, but instead a property crime against her husband/father.
Antiquated bullshit doesn’t belong in this world. If you disagree, go walk across a desert or something.
I agree it should not be done unnecessarily. I’ve hooked up with plenty of men in my lifetime and have seen some grotesque circumcisions.
The worst botched ones I’ve seen are when the skin bridges to the head or when the circumcision was done too tight (and causes issues when erect). More commonly, I’ve seen some pretty gnarly scar tissue along the shaft, but that seems to be less problematic. I am curious if folks with botched circumcisions are still supportive of it, since it’s so ingrained in their culture.
My most genuine wish would be to see the people caring about mutilation, consent and bodily autonomy to take a look at what we do to non-humans in animal agriculture, apply their convictions consistently and go vegan.
My only issue with this is that it is specifically directed at jewish people. This is common practice in america regardless of whether you’re jewish or not. For example I’m circumcised and my parents have never been jewish. Otherwise yes, stop circumcising your kids.
Sort of. It is a religious practice in Judaism, and was normalized in the USA by the Kellogg wellness horseshit as a cure for masturbation, and has almost nothing to do with Christianity. He was ostensibly a Seventh Day Adventist, but his actual beliefs and practices didn’t really resemble any organized religion at the time.
I learned the story of circumcision through a Christian church and was told it was god’s way of promising he’ll never directly punish humanity again. Kinda like the rainbow thing with the flood.
The title aside. I thought the meme was joking about the crazy ass “mohalim” ritual aka rabbis sucking off babies. And so I find the meme alone a success.
I think that male circumcision is a choice adults should make for themselves. It’s not something that should be forced on kids or babies.
I’m not convinced I want law enforcement to police parents, who want male circumcision performed on their children, when the risks, benefits, and costs are all minimal if performed by a doctor. If a parent really wants to get the procedure performed on their child, then it’s better for the child that they have access to a doctor.
What’s being referenced in the meme is know as Metzitzah B’peh (Direct Oral Suctioning).
Having a circumcision done in this manner negates any of the minimal benefits of getting a circumcision done. The only reason to have it done this way is to fulfill a religious rite of passage and since this method can harm the child I don’t see why it should be allowed.
Maybe we could properly fund our public schools and ensure people can get informed about this topic in Sex Ed, so they’re less likely to want this done to their children.
Bottom surgery isn’t injury or disfigurement though??? It’s a medical procedure done to improve the patient’s quality of life. Is a heart transplant mutilation?
Take a serious look at yourself and ask why you’re making these comments. Was it really necessary to equate surgery to mutilation? Did you have a point that you wanted to make but absolutely fumbled? If so, do you genuinely believe in that point despite not being able to use words to express it?
There’s a limited amount of storage space for the text of these comments on servers. Try not to waste those ones and zeroes with inanity.
denoting and connoting are different things, the definition above would have invasive surgery fall under it even if mutilate connotes violence. i get you dont really care about that discrepancy and youre instead concerned by if im just being a trolling bigot in which case no, i believe what i said and to act that it’s unfair as it isnt under your worldview is scummy within itself.
I’m circumcised and I have plenty of sensitivity in the head of my dick. How would someone who isn’t circumcised know how much or how little sensitivity a circumcised dick has? And if uncut dudes are even more sensitive than cut, do you all have problems with premature ejaculation? I can’t imagine being any more sensitive. I’d be creaming just from wearing underwear and moving my body.
I’m not pro circumcision or anything, I’ve just always felt that the sensitivity thing is such a stupid, weak argument because in my experience of both being circumcised and also being pansexual and spending plenty of time around other dicks both cut and uncut, it’s bullshit.
It is absolutely genital mutilation regardless of how you feel about it. There was a push to circumcise boys because they said it would reduce their chances of STDs and reduce cleaning requirements. It was a huge mistake as it changes the way the organ functions for pleasure. Just because you don’t know what you’re missing doesn’t mean it was okay.
I don’t personally feel mutilated and I am fairly content with my situation. You’re free to feel I was wronged but it doesn’t change how I feel about myself or how I feel about my parents’ decision. My sex life is just fine as well.
But like I said, I respect that people have diverging opinions on this one. And if circumcized people feel they were mutilated that’s certainly an opinion they have the right to hold.
Whether you personally like it that way is irrelevant. It’s cosmetic surgery performed on people who cannot consent. You should oppose it for that reason alone.
Man idunno, I don’t have a problem with my dick (small as it may be), but it kinda bothers me that some doctor cut a piece of it off when I was a baby.
Interesting comments and opinions. I know that coming from a non-religious family, I was circumcised after birth because the doctors stated that it was better for hygiene. However, I got an infection (from the surgery) and spent 3 extra weeks in the hospital, nearly dying.
Thankfully, my following siblings were not put in that situation (and I had no long-term issues). And although I do believe that it is better for hygiene, it also takes the majority of nerves out.
Today, I believe that it should be an optional surgery or when medically required. In today’s world, it is largely unnecessary.
It’s not that it doesn’t have any benefits, but also doesn’t offset the downsides but seems easier to keep proper hygene as I’ve heard horrible stories like guys who were never taught proper hygene.
a 10 times lower risk of a baby getting a urinary tract infection (UTI) in his first year of life (1/1000 odds)
no risk of infants and children getting infections under the foreskin
easier genital hygiene
much lower risk of getting cancer of the penis (1/10,000+)
a possibly lower risk of men getting sexually transmissible infections (STIs) than men who are not circumcised (although these studies have not been scientifically confirmed and safe sex practices are far more effective in preventing these infections).
I mean, like I said I nearly died and don’t support it. Although, there are benefits and chance of infection is very low at least in a 1st world country. There are many other things with higher chance that could impact a child, like the high chance of foreskin infection.
Balanitis in a small degree nearly affects all men with an intact foreskin. The vast majority of cases are quite mild. Most child get what’s called chemical balanitis which is just a small amount of redness associated with the foreskin releasing. True infected balanitis occurs in approximately 5% of the population of boys of less than 5 years of age.
And I guess its a common problem, go figure people and kids especially don’t practice proper hygene.
Having had that, it’s extremely mild, a tiny bit of discomfort for a couple days. Not worth removing the foreskin for. We don’t cut off people’s ears because kids often get ear infections.
And that’s your experience and opinion. The article states that 5% have more than mild cases, and some should be medically removed for medical reasons.
Everything has pros and cons, but I’m not making the choice for anyone else. That’s their choice, but it should still be a choice.
And I don’t see how cutting off an ear would reduce ear infections, as it’s typically the canal that’s infected, not the ear. A lot more involved, and I can’t find any benefits like I could for circumcision. Although, you could be onto something as I’m sure there is data for piecing infections? Is this the reason for changing topic?
I’ve purely stated facts with supported links and haven’t seen the same. Constructive discussion is great but that has yet to be seen yet. So I’m probaby gonna move along with my day and hope you have a great day as well.
The point is removing body parts before they get infected, because there is a small chance they’ll get infected is idiotic. There’s plenty of downsides to being circumcised, like caratanized glans, leading to reduced sensitivity, and difficulty finishing. Not to mention the many times too much skin is taken off, which can make all erections for said dicks owner very painful.
And a choice, sure, for adults, who’ve lived with their foreskins and understand what they are losing, not babies or young children who’re not at an age to understand what’s being taken away.
As for the ear, not having an outer ear would make it easier to clean the ear canal, and for wax to drip out, so it would reduce canal infections. But we don;t do that, because it’s better to just treat the few infections, than to remove someone’s organs as a baby.
Read back, like I said several times I don’t support circumcision. However, there are benefits that don’t just disappear because of the cons. Everything has pros and cons that should be accounted for.
And the fact of bringing unrelated debate into it just makes it look unorganized and unfounded basis. But you can message me if you want to debate about finger nails and removing parts of the ear…
I think we’re all on the same side here but I think that person’s analogy is valuable because it demonstrates the disconnect in logic between the perceived value of the “health risks” that are being avoided versus the risks, harm, and morals of permanently modifying someone’s body against their will under false pretenses.
As a general rule, I don’t presume to tell people living under wildly different and much harsher circumstances that I know better survival methods than they do.
Well, I might recommend they use some of their scarce water supplies and soap instead of spit for this particular example, but other than that.
What a dumb thing to say. I am more than comfortable telling people living under wildly different and much harsher circumstances that cutting their babies dicks is not conducive to a thriving society. It turns out people with foreskins drink and eat just as much as those without, and they have the added benefit of never dying from their penis getting infected because someone really wanted to cut part of it off.
Yes! Humans literally evolved to have a foreskin so it has to provide an advantage beyond any added risks, even under pre-historic hygiene conditions.
If it truly posed a health risk then that would immediately impact an individual’s ability to reproduce and it would have shrunk and disappeared over thousands of years of breeding.
To the ~33% people who have downvoted this: you’re literally arguing against a person’s right not to have their body receive unnecessary surgical manipulations until they’re old enough to actually consent to it. Babies are not their parents’ property. Let people decide when they’re adults.
That’s a problem felt throughout society because of the reaction we were taught to give in relation to Islam and Judaism and because of a power dynamic.
You’re a Nazi antisemitic dickhole if you criticize Judaism in the US and you’re a xenophobic islamaphobe if you criticize Islam in the US, but because Christianity has enjoyed the position of power it has in the US it’s ok to “punch up” as it were.
I hate them all equally, but just hope people separate the people practicing the religion from the religion itself. I hate organized religion, not religious people of any religion.
I’d quibble with you here that there actually are an alarming number of antisemitic nazis and xenophobic islamophobes in the US, primarily among Christians. Criticisms of all heinous religious practices will quickly devolve into bigots chiming in to complain about their personal ignorance. There is so much overlap between various religious beliefs and practices that practically any criticism of faith is valid against just about all religions. So most of the time, if you are singling out one particular sect or ethnicity, it’s because of prejudice against those people.
Targeting Christianity ensures that you’re not singling out one particular ethnicity or nationality, and it’s far less likely to attract bigoted sympathies.
No it’s the bit about the blood being sucked from the wound by the Moil that the meme references by replacing a straw with a hot dog. That’s the antisemitic part as that isn’t common yet is directly referenced here.
One that doesn’t explicitly mention a specific race would be a good start. It’s not hard to identify racism when it is this obvious. Why are you having problems doing so?
Anyone promoting chopping off a piece of a baby’s body and literally sucking the piece off with their mouth should be taking some flak. I mean, think about that idea for a minute. What the fuck?!
Do you think that anyone born with a cleft palate, cleft lip, hemangiomas, craniosynostosis, facial palsy, or any corrective jaw surgeries should be told to wait until 18 when all of these procedures are far less effective and far more difficult to do?
Fair enough, there are quite a bunch of other cases where it might be justified to accept an imperfect form of consent. Still, it might be argued that some of those are necessary surgeries.
The key words there are unnecessary surgical interventions. Yeah, if your child’s appendix bursts you can have it removed. Having a foreskin is not a medical problem.
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