China claims ownership of the Taiwan Strait. Canada just sailed a warship through it

After months of secretive planning, and preparing the crew to defend their ship if necessary, the Royal Canadian Navy has transited the Taiwan Strait.

As HMCS Ottawa entered the busy and strategically critical body of water at sunrise, it was flanked by three Chinese warships armed with missiles and torpedoes. They mirrored Ottawa’s moves for the entire 17-hour crossing.

Canada made the journey along with the USS Ralph Johnson, a U.S. Navy guided missile destroyer, in what both countries describe as a freedom of navigation exercise.

cypher_greyhat,

“That’s not your strait, budday”. Sorry I couldn’t stop.

girlfreddy,
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MajorMajormajormajor,

“I’m not your budday, guy!” - Winnie the Poo.

Armen12,

China has been hit with the worst flooding in over 100 years and they concern themselves with territory they don’t own instead of actually fixing their own problems lol

Perfect metaphor for the CCP

Lemmywhat,

This is the point. To divert the focus point.

Lafuma300,

Ah yes, they should be like the Canadians and concern themselves with territory near Nova Scotia and send their ships there; you know, totally sensible stuff.

ILikeBoobies,

A better Canadian comparison would be Jamaica (originally was going to be included in Canada), or the Northern US states (we have to US to prevent future conflicts after 1812)

But that would assume Canada is actively claiming it and was the aggressor. A more homely example is Russia’s claim to Canada’s arctic territory however even that has been mostly diplomatic

Armen12,

This isn’t about Canada, the other countries in Asia are fed up with China’s bull***t territorial claims that they make up all the time. Also lets all remember when other countries have had to literally shoot off Chinese ships for illegal fishing in their waters

"Some 250 Chinese vessels fish for squid just outside Argentina’s 200-mile EEZ, sometimes dashing into Argentina’s waters illegally. When a Chinese jigger intruded in 2018, an Argentine warship pursuing it was nearly rammed by three other Chinese jiggers. “It’s literally a war,” said Milko Schvartzman, a former Greenpeace campaign manager and fisheries expert who estimates the illegal Argentinian fishery at $1 billion a year. “I have no doubt this will end in tragedy.”

foreignpolicy.com/…/china-beijing-fishing-africa-…

China is the incel of Nations, constantly bullying other countries, invading their own territory and stealing whatever they can from everybody then when people push back they cry about it

persolb,

I agree with you; but the parent comment is accurately drawing a parallel. Both China and Canada have issues and both are worried about a strait which objectively isn’t ‘theirs’.

The difference is

  1. China has bigger problems, but the strait is at least close; although China is being a bully
  2. Canada has lesser problems, and the strait is on the other side of the planet; but they seem to at least be defending the public good.

Point being, tying this to China’s flooding is silly. If Chinas actions are dumb, it is for unrelated reasons.

Armen12,

Except that’s wrong because no one is claiming it belongs to anyone but Taiwan because it does belong to Taiwan. Canada isn’t doing this because they think they own the waters, they’re doing it because they’re allies of Taiwan and they’re just defending their allies from being attacked by China

Canada is actually allied with countries on the other side of the planet. China isn’t allied with anyone but Russia because no one wants China anywhere near them

Tying this to China’s own internal problems is exactly what this is about because millions of people in China are dying due to the flooding to and the typical incompetence of the government and the CCP doesn’t like when people see what really happens in China. They constantly try to divert attention away from serious disasters happening within their own borders.

ILikeBoobies,

Canada isn’t there for their claim, they are there to maintain it’s status as an international waterway

Lafuma300,

China bad, West good, we got it. Let’s go kill them, just to make western chauvinists happy.

Polar,

Sounds like China and USA have similar priorities.

dontcarebear, (edited )

I disagree with limiting this kind of criticism to the Communist party of China.

During the Qing dynasty’s fall due to corruption and internal strife, the Chinese military practically ignored the English conquests of its coasts and signed peace treaties with them and every western colonialist plunderer.

Why? Because sovereign unity is more important (White lotus + Boxer rebellions).

When chang Kai shek and Mao had a choice to unite against the Japanese or continue fighting against each other, they let Japan stretch it’s whole army thin across their entire coast.

Why? Because China had no sovereign to be united under (Warlord era following the Qing).

China worries first and foremost about sovereign unity and stability. Taiwan is considered a slight to their sovereignty.

All I’m seeing here is China being China.

EDIT: I’m not saying it is jolly good fun, I’m just saying it is not unique to China to care more about government stability then the people, or other events.

KevonLooney,

Do you know anything about Chinese history? Governments have been overthrown because of their response to floods, not ownership of any particular island.

It was also a common belief that natural disasters such as famine and flood were divine retributions bearing signs of Heaven’s displeasure with the ruler, so there would often be revolts following major disasters as the people saw these calamities as signs that the Mandate of Heaven had been withdrawn.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_of_Heaven

dontcarebear,

How many rebellions triggered the overthrowing of the government? All of them - short of the Yuan dynasty, which simply conquered the Song Dynasty.

You are singling one aspect of emperial Chinese rule and making it the common rule, while if you put aside the Yi-Jing mumbo jumbo, you get political facts.

Fact, the yellow turban rebellion broke the financial and political hold of the Han dynasty and brought about the 3 kingdoms era.

Fact, the Zhou dynasty provided too much military and political power to each province ruler leading to individual rebellions that led to the warring states era.

Uncommon political/financial collapse - Tang dynasty, who mobilized an unprecedentedly sized army to hold off the forces of Islam in west China. The sheer logistical weight of the campaign drained the government, leaving it weak and eventually leading to it’s collapse.

I have a degree in asian studies. The facts don’t have to align to your perception of modern politics.

KevonLooney,

Uh, if they cared that much about Taiwan they would have taken it by now. They care more about economic stability than “unity”. If you have a degree in “Asian Studies” that includes the Warring States period, you wouldn’t know about political science or economics. You know, recent history?

The “Mandate of Heaven” is just an idea, but they don’t want to go putting ideas of incompetent government in people’s heads. That’s why they either try to respond well to disasters or cover them up.

jerkface,
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It is your position that China doesn’t care about Taiwan. Really. I think you have allowed yourself to be baited in to a stupid position.

dontcarebear,

Since you’re being disrespectful and condescending, I’ll just just tell you to look up the Japanese occupation and the Korean war + Sino-American treaty as a reason why.

Also, I’m not a tankie. I just think differently than you.

Bigmouse,

Can you guys please keep arguing about chinese history? It’s very informative

dontcarebear,

Blocked him already.

China is interesting, ain’t it?

Bigmouse,

Yes i love learning about history. And thankfully China’s isn’t quite as convoluted as India’s so it is possible to learn it

saltesc,

Oh, the CCP showed up to accompany them. That’s nice to know for anyone else thinking of making the trip solo. With such support, I expect we’ll see more people making the sail without needing to worry.

And here I was under the impression that the CCP was all against China since it claimed ownership of the mainland bit. Maybe they’ll give it back to China.

from_the_black_lagoon,

They were with US middle destroyer, so not exactly solo

Jaytreeman,

Canada doesn't recognize Taiwan as a country. How anyone in Canada's leadership thought this was a good idea, I don't know.
There's an order of operations that should go down before going through.
First recognize Taiwan.
Then acknowledge their territorial waters.
Instead, we get this cosplay of an act

jerkface,
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If we simply reject that fighting for Taiwan’s sovereignty was the sole motivation for this action, I think things make a lot more sense.

AmberPrince,
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More like territorial waters is 12 nautical miles for the coast so even if Taiwan was considered part of mainland China, the straight is like 90nm wide so a majority of it should be freely navigable by any ship. China doesn't think so and claims the entire thing as territorial waters.

cygnus,
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China’s claims are absud, even extending to waters bordering the Philippines. duckduckgo.com/?q=spratly+islands&ia=web&…

zephyreks,

Taiwan claims those waters as well…

twopi,

Most people don’t understand that both People’s Republic of China (“China”) and Republic of China (“Taiwan”) claim the same borders and territory and pretend “Taiwan” is being opressed.

I am sure if the ROC defeated PRC in the civil war the issues of Tibet, the strait and the South China Sea would be just given to China because China would be a US ally and NATO member along side being a permanent UN security seat member

AmberPrince,
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China would be a US ally and NATO member

I didn't know China was located in the Atlantic.

twopi,

Correct. They’d be a Major non-NATO ally:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_non-NATO_ally

On a close relationship like Japan and Republic of Korea

But other than that, my point still stands.

zephyreks,

By the same definition, crossing the median in a plane shouldn’t be worthy of mention.

kitonthenet,

It’s not really a cosplay if the missiles are real

nicman24,

canada is a nato nation and nato recognized taiwan as an external ally sooo..

BlinkerFluid,

I’m not touching you!

~ Trudeau

variants,

Nobody owns the water, It’s God’s water

Agent641,

Im sorry you’re getting downvoted. I appreciated your super troopers reference.

Manifish_Destiny,

God is dead. We use the term international waters now.

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