enobacon,
@enobacon@urbanists.social avatar

“we need to challenge that idea that quantification is the place to start,” when it comes to bike advocacy and pushing for systemic reform.

"the downtown model... it's dead. People don't want that"

https://bikeportland.org/2023/12/11/podcast-techpreneur-william-henderson-offers-a-new-take-on-bike-counts-382412

bikewazowski,

@enobacon "We need more data / to study this more" is how politicians appear prudent in shutting down things they know are right, but not very popular.

Boston had a surge of deaths around 2010-2014 and city council kept saying "we need more data" - and in ten years has published a report once.

Nicole Freedman (now at ) wrote a summary claiming the top cause of injury was cyclists running lights. The press didn't flip twenty pages in to see it was actually doorings.

enobacon,
@enobacon@urbanists.social avatar

@bikewazowski I can understand wanting to count to see if we're getting usage, meeting mode-shift goals, but as for "where should we build protected bikeways?", well probably everywhere people go! The data on crash analysis does point to problems in driver behavior vs what the infrastructure wishes they would do, but we also have to extrapolate these incidents and lessons vs all 1000 copies of the infrastructure where they apply, not just react to chance events.

https://urbanists.social/@bikeloudpdx/111571930943337573

DemonHusky,
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@enobacon @bikewazowski that's where Cambridge is excelling right now. They made a bike plan, then a law that says the city needs to install separated bike lanes on the major routes in the bike plan within a certain time, and it's actually making progress on that plan.

For some of the design work they take some counts to understand where people are going, but they know where people want to go already. Most streets are losing ~50% street parking, but it's still happening.

enobacon,
@enobacon@urbanists.social avatar

"we'll do what we can here, but our job is not to save your investment" - what leaders should say to the property owners downtown, not beating the drum for free parking and "revitalization"

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