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theluddite, (edited ) in Empty Office Buildings Are Being Turned Into Vertical Farms
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When executed correctly, vertical farming can yield as much produce as traditional farming methods in urban areas and smaller spaces. Additionally, vertical farmers gain the added benefit of consistent, year-round production without the uncertainties of climate or pests, all while utilizing 90 percent less energy and 98 percent less water than a traditional farm. Although it can’t be a replacement for more traditional methods, vertical farming provides fresh produce in areas that have little food production or access to healthy foods.

… 90% less energy? I’d love to see a citation on how on earth that is possible. This is a puff piece taken entirely from a few companies, taking their claims as truth. I’m not saying vertical farms don’t have their place, but how can they use 90% less energy while having to operate grow lights.

Vertical farms seem to have a lot of hype, and consequently I’ve seen mounting criticism. Lowtech magazine had a piece about how a solar paneled vertical farm actually uses more space than a regular one, if you account for solar panels, and are only cost effective because of fossil fuels.

edit: the link earlier in that sentence goes to a press release from IDTechEx, which does “independent market research.” These are marketing agencies who put out “reports” as self-marketing, hoping to be hired by companies to make more rosy reports on how great their industries are. It’s capitalist cargo-cult science, but even they seem to outright contradict the smithsonian magazine claim:

On a larger scale, vertical farms may prove more profitable in different geographical regions. Vertical farms can reduce water usage significantly over conventional agriculture, and the high degree of control over the growing environment allows them to grow crops in extreme climates – where such crops may not otherwise be able to grow. In return, vertical farms demand more energy to carry out growing operations [emphasis added]. To maximize their potential, vertical farms would ideally be located in regions of water scarcity, such as Sub-Saharan Africa and the Middle East, or in areas with extreme climates, such as in Scandinavian countries, where the low amounts of sunlight and high costs of regulating greenhouse environments single out vertical farms as an optimal solution. The amount of agricultural land available is also an important factor – regions looking to increase food security and reduce reliance on imports while facing challenges in acquiring sufficient agricultural land would find vertical farms to be ideal. A particularly prominent example of such a country is Singapore, which has demonstrated much interest in vertical farming over the last few years.

[V]ertical farms are very energy intensive [emphasis added], and it is important to ensure the facilities chosen can support these energy loads. In addition, the ergonomics of the facility is also important; should the layout not be given proper consideration, this can impede workers and decrease worker efficiency. As labor costs are typically among the largest sources of expenditure for a vertical farm, improving labor efficiency to reduce these costs is of paramount importance.

I call shenanigans on the energy usage claim. There’s no way it’s possible.

sauerkraus,

Tractors use a lot more energy than LEDs while running. But you can operate LEDs indefinitely. So the source of the energy would be important.

theluddite, (edited )
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No, it’s not even close. According to that link I posted, growing 1m2 of wheat costs 2,577 kilowatt-hours of electricity. 1 gallon of gasoline has 33.7 kilowatt-hours. That single 1m2 of wheat used the energy equivalent of 76 gallons of gasoline, and that is for a single pound of flour. LEDs are efficient, but vertical farms require extraordinary amounts of them to be on 24/7, whereas a single farm can use one tractor.

You can just look up how much fuel farms use. The general rule of thumb for cereal crops is 2 gallons per acre per season, and that includes planting, the maintenance, and the harvesting. Multiple that out, and you get that vertical farms use 157,827x more energy. That is 5 orders of magnitude. To put that in perspective, the distance across the US vs the distance to the moon is only two orders magnitude difference.

edit: In case you don’t believe lowtech magazine, here’s another source. ifarm.fi/…/how-much-electricity-does-a-vertical-f…

It claims that vertical farms use 57.35 kWh per square meter per month for the lowest possible energy consumption crop, lettuce. This is an astounding amount of energy. That is 1.5 gallons of gasoline per month per square meter for lettuce. If you want to grow strawberries, it almost triples. That still comes out to 3-4 orders of magnitude, depending on the crop.

poVoq, in can home-farmed meat be a part of solarpunk?
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Sure, why not?

Solarpunk is not explicitly vegan or vegetarian, in fact it strongly objects to attempts to put the blame for climate-change and environmental destruction on individuals actions aka "don't use plastic straws" etc. that just distract from where the real problems are.

In this case, the problem is IMHO clearly the industrial meat production and the resulting meat over-consumption of our societies and not the chickens someone grows in their backyard for small-scale consumption.

I think you will be fine posting here, but please don't get into arguments with people in /c/vegan.

okasen,

Thanks for this input! (I especially agree regarding the blaming-the-individual thing, that's part of why I love solarpunk)

And yeah no worries, I have no desire to argue with my comrades in arms.

MercurySunrise, (edited ) in The Vegetable Gardener’s Guide to Crop Rotation - Modern Farmer

Interesting guide. Thanks for sharing. A bit concerning the site doesn’t have a soil testing guide anymore, though. The theories in the article let alone this subject itself kinda rely on soil science. Regardless, crop rotation is very important and should be utilized more in all farming. Monocropping is extremely damaging to the environment because it destroys soil diversity, which reduces nutrients and reduces the wildlife ecosystem involved in the process.

Chuymatt, in Australia's first solar garden is taking the renewables boom to the community

I think they mean as big as a hammer barn car park

DavidGarcia, in "What kind of dog do you have?" "A loam."

nice attempt to hide the truth about Sandy Loam

southsamurai, in "What kind of dog do you have?" "A loam."
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This is racist against coyote, and you should be ashamed

loam, in "What kind of dog do you have?" "A loam."

I can pet the most dogs from the middle!

Track_Shovel, in "What kind of dog do you have?" "A loam."

I’m a soil game scientist and I approve this message

Faresh, in "What kind of dog do you have?" "A loam."

Does anyone else always find these kinds of graphs really difficult to parse?

Track_Shovel,

The Canadian system only uses sand and clay and this much more user friendly

TropicalDingdong,

Silt: Am I a joke to you?

Scubus,

You don’t know how to interpret something being 20% dog 80% fox and 30% wolf? /s

maculata, in Do Mushrooms Need Light To Grow?

Without watching the video, I’ll say ‘no’.

humorlessrepost,

I think some types use light to trigger fruiting, but the mycelium doesn’t need light.

silence7, in Growing Mushrooms in Buckets! Step-by-Step Guide to the Bucket Technique

Be aware that when ripe, mushrooms tend to produce a lot of spores. These WILL make your dorm room closet a really dank place if you decide to grow there.

I strongly recommend using a space which is away from living areas for mushroom growing.

QuantumSparkles,

That’s definitely the only reason your dorm room smells bad

5714, (edited ) in Food isn't Industrial - Why treating crops as an industrial product has wiped out nearly half the living world, and how treating it as an ecological partner can quickly heal it.

I don’t understand how agroforestry cannot operate industrially. The video doesn’t answer it’s broad claim how food production cannot be industrial.

The underlying naturalistic ideology bars progress of automatisation to monocropping land uses - the inability to develop knowledge compatible with global food security seems unnecessary or risky to me.

The video gets tangled up in a myriad of sideshows like general claims about economic philosophy, urban ecology, settlement geography, urban mobility, which arguments would require video(s) that is either way longer or seperated into distinct videos with distinct arguments.

I personally don’t like how the first argument relies on bad faith arguments: Ecological resources are scarce as well - in many places lack of scarcity moderates biodiversity. Electronics manufacturing doesn’t need to be non-circular. Feeding people requires depletion of minerals in soils, because some minerals aren’t recoverable from the hydro-, bio- and atmosphere.

RestrictedAccount, in Food isn't Industrial - Why treating crops as an industrial product has wiped out nearly half the living world, and how treating it as an ecological partner can quickly heal it.

This is childish.

Food as an industrial product can barely feed the people we have.

What do you propose?

If everyone tried to feed themselves, billions would starve to death because of low productivity.

Redfox8,

Eat less meat. Far more vegetables can be grown on the same amount of land.

ProdigalFrog,

Food as an industrial product can barely feed the people we have.

Globally, we produce more than enough food to feed everyone, if there is any struggle to feed others, it is generally due to either artificial scarcity or inability to transport it where it is needed.

Dubiousx99, in Food isn't Industrial - Why treating crops as an industrial product has wiped out nearly half the living world, and how treating it as an ecological partner can quickly heal it.

Of course not. Food is a commercial product made by and industrial process, like many commercial goods are.

Hugh_Jeggs, in Food isn't Industrial - Why treating crops as an industrial product has wiped out nearly half the living world, and how treating it as an ecological partner can quickly heal it.

Y’all got an article instead of two minutes of information in a 17 minute video full of ads?

ProdigalFrog,

The creator unfortunately did not write an article.

If you’re on a device that allows it (I know Apple doesn’t, unfortunately), I’d highly recommend installing Unblock Origin to avoid ever watching ads.

Rozauhtuno,
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If you are barred from installing adblocks, you can try using Piped.

piped.video/watch?v=x89clwaSJmA

Hugh_Jeggs,

You missed the main point about yt vids being 2% info and 98% shite

ProdigalFrog,

I understand you have a preference for written information, which is entirely understandable.

I personally feel this video is quite information dense, and explains his ideas and concepts with no filler. If you feel it’s wasting your time, then I would recommend skipping it for sure. No harm in that. :)

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