DoucheBagMcSwag,

This is why I love DBZER0

iridaniotter,
@iridaniotter@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Comrade Zuck doing us a favor and ideologically purging the Fediverse of all the liberals by extinguishing all the collaborationist instances. o7

DarkSpectrum,

If the Fediverse is truly the architecture of the future, then shouldn’t it be able to stand any attempt by Meta to control it? If Meta is able to control it, then isn’t it the wrong solution?

toastal,
adeoxymus,

IMO the way to prevent such a scenario from happening is not by blocking Meta, but by inviting equally large competitors to join the fediverse. The described tactic can only work if you have close to a monopoly.

polskilumalo,
@polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml avatar

“I don’t want this corporation to control the fediverse! I’d rather it be several of them!”

They already essentially are a monopoly, what are you talking about?

abbenm,

Well they aren’t blocked at the fediverse level. They are blocked at the instance level which is the fediverse working as designed.

csm10495,
@csm10495@sh.itjust.works avatar

You’re completely right.

Defederation is silly here in my opinion. I’d personally prefer more content and more mainstream stuff. We’re basically isolating ourselves. If it’s so great, it’ll flourish; instead we won’t allow it. So much for an open community. :shrug:

We also collectively downvote people who think this which is also silly. Heck even this post is more/less to bully these instances into doing what this group wants.

Reminds me of the bad side of Reddit.

abbenm,

This feels like a basic misunderstanding of how the fediverse works. There are instances that embody your preferences and you can sign up for them.

One of the most important reasons I believe it is so useful to have a federverse that allows defederating is because ever since 2014 and 2015, and growing since then, there’s been a phenomenon of rabid online trolling and hyperpoliticization that’s had tendency to take over and destroy whatever pre-existing culture and norms existed, and the people doing it have leveraged bad faith free speech arguments to attempt to expose more platforms to their behavior, often making the same copy paste echo chamber argument that you are right now. I found the people making this argument to be operating from really shallow understandings of what intellectual diversity really means, because these people tend to ignore important components such as the paradox of tolerance, they tend not to believe that trolling or harassment campaigns are real, they tend not to be able to distinguish between “echo chamber” and the high level of discussion that’s possible when you found a community based on a common interest or shared set on principles, tend not to understand that you’re actually reducing the diversity of ideas by destroying each communities and turning all communities into the same thing, and tend to think of the full range of human ideas is represented in the unfortunately narrow framing of left-right spectrum which is most pertinent in American politics.

And for the fediverse, it calls the bluff perfectly, because for people who are concerned about echo chambers or “exposure to ideas” (yeah, which ones??), such people are able to join an instance that gives them the thing they say they want. But what they really tend to want is unmoderated unfiltered exposure to a captive audience, and the tangled contradictory mishmash of arguments about free speech and being open to ideas are just a means to that end. And so, they tend to be completely empty-handed when you ask them to explain why they feel specific instances need to federate or de-federate, you just get vague nothingburger speeches.

To be clear I don’t think that everyone making the argument thinks that way, I think some people are unwittingly doing the work of bad actors without meaning to. It’s just that I’ve seen this argument made over and over, and I feel like there’s some sort of boot camp we should all put ourselves through that involves understanding the history and some core ideas, because it could save everyone a lot of time.

iridaniotter,
@iridaniotter@lemmygrad.ml avatar

No, projects like the Fediverse require initial protectionism. If you let megacorporations into your project, they will dominate and gain control over how the protocol develops in the future. Google Chrome’s huge share of users has enabled it to get dangerously close to locking other browsers out of most of the Internet (the Web Integrity API shenanigans are just the start). Chrome also removed support for JPEG XL, killing that attempt at a standard and enshrining its own WebP. It’s called “Embrace, extend, and extinguish”.

If the Fediverse actually wants to grow, it must unite against this. Otherwise we will end up with a couple hundred thousand Fedipact hardliners and millions on Facebook 2. No progress will have been made.

merthyr1831,

Good. On one hand it’s good to see fediverse stuff coming mainstream, on the other hand the last thing we want is a load of celebrities and brands trying to cannibalise said fediverse as an opportunity to corner the market instead of genuinely useful resources for communication

SpaceTurtle224, (edited )
@SpaceTurtle224@lemmy.world avatar

I hope LW limits federation

Dadifer,

Have the admins said anything? Why are we federated with them?

DoucheBagMcSwag,

Yep. They don’t care and they’re going to keep federation with Facebook so “users have the choice to opt out”

Mastodon’s largest instance is letting them in too

TheBlackLounge,

The new Lemmy 19 allows users to block instances so that’s not unreasonable for the largest instances. Gotta show new users that users have control.

krolden,
@krolden@lemmy.ml avatar

Lol lemmy world admins are all chuds

EqMinMax,
@EqMinMax@lemmy.world avatar

Am I the one who finds X federated in the status of this website as that instance is not federated ?

It also confuses me that it says like that instance is federated.

DarkThoughts,

X = Federated = Bad
It's not rocket science.

mindbleach,

Yeah X is the other hellsite.

bugsmith,

Yes. I get the idea, because federating with them is the “negative” option, but honestly it’s just confusing and overly opinionated for an infographic.

Alsephina,

We gotta pump these numbers up

LemmyIsFantastic,

Y’all really are afraid of any competition. It’s absurd how quickly you all move to censoring content for others.

dangblingus,

I think the issue is that most Fediverse instances share the same values of a socialized and decentralized internet/social media, and despite Threads federating, we know that Meta is a for-profit massive corporation that exists to create a centralized data scraping network.

DarkThoughts,
velox_vulnus,

Social media isn’t a “competition”, dear. Meta, along with other big-tech enabled fascism and ruined my country. Fuck the Zucc royally.

AMDIsOurLord,

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  • Alsephina,

    the blanket bans on 16+ content

    The fuck? There’s literally an entire instance for porn.

    moitoi,
    @moitoi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    So, I choose the right instances at the beginning.

    JokeDeity,

    Not nearly enough.

    jennwiththesea,
    @jennwiththesea@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m on a Mastodon that’s defederated and a Lemmy that’s federated. Let the games begin!

    Ziggurat,

    It’s somehow fun to see instance rules adding a clause about We do not federate with organization involved in Genocides

    And a pitty that Meta is that Bad !

    pwalker,

    I like how they added the comment from mastodon.art admin 😅

    Count042,

    This is wrong. Rwn.lol blocked threads.net months ago.

    Levsgetso,

    There seems to a mistake saying that Threads is not blocked by lemmy.zip, when we defederated them months ago.

    registrert,
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  • Levsgetso,

    Thanks for the understanding and help 😊

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