Whats stopping someone from creating a instance that host illegal content?

I’ve seen the controversy where lemmy.world defederated from 2 piracy instances. So since there is no one big owner what is stopping someone creating a instance that host CP or other illegal stuff?

From what it seems like is instances can try to defederate from those instances but the only justice that can happen seems only from government/police but that only works in certain countries because more can just pop up bypassing the defederation.

I’m kinda concerned if this issue has no solution because it’s a pretty sharp edge of the double edge sword of having instances anyone can create and host.

Because someone can just host a CP instance and now that instance even if defederated from other instances still provides a safe space for pedophiles to share content and other illegal stuff.

Also what is stopping someone from creating an instance that has a slur for its name and then go around in other federated instances and post comments and make post. Like you don’t want someone named "NAZI_LOVER@n-word.f-slur

infyrin,

So much slippery sloping in this post alone, here.

Are you just mad because you’re lazy and want people to serve you pirated content or something? Where is the bitterness coming from here?

How about you be your own guinea pig and try this out for yourself? Tell us how it goes and later, you can write from jail to us about how it was all a predetermined failure.

It didn’t stop morons from trying to host CP on other social media networks, because the shit finds a way through shitty people in general.

Chainweasel,

Fear of prosecution in most cases I would assume.

elbarto777,

This is a weird question for a service hosted on the internet.

ttmrichter,
@ttmrichter@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve seen the controversy where myisp.com blocked mail from 2 email hosts. So since there is no one big owner what is stopping someone creating an email host that propagates CP or other illegal stuff?

From what it seems like is ISPs can try to block from those hosts but the only justice that can happen seems only from government/police but that only works in certain countries because more can just pop up bypassing the blocks.

I’m kinda concerned if this issue has no solution because it’s a pretty sharp edge of the double edge sword of having instances anyone can create and host.

Because someone can just host a CP mailing list and now that list, even if blocked from other ISPs, still provides a safe space for pedophiles to share content and other illegal stuff.

Also what is stopping someone from creating an email host that has a slur for its name and then go sending email around to other ISPs. Like you don’t want someone named “NAZI_LOVER@n-word.f-slur”

Adjust as appropriate for literally any other technology used on the Internet up to and including frickin’ DNS.

ANY technology, without exception, has utility for evil as well as good. (Some are more evil-leaning, like corporate social media silos, while others are more good-leaning, like automated puppy scritchers, to be fair.) To pearl-clutch over one technology because it’s the new one is just …

… well, human I guess. Humans are always doing this shit.

leraje,
@leraje@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve seen the controversy where lemmy.world defederated from 2 piracy instances.

No they didn’t. They blocked 3 communities from 2 different instances. All other communities on those instances are available to .world users and .world is still available to all users on those two instances.

Blocking individual communities is not the same thing as defederating from those instances.

AvaAmazing,

Sorry my bad. Yeah you are correct I did mean 2 communities but I guess it was 3.

MyOpinion,

If you don’t mind decades in jail, sure you are welcome to do it.

xePBMg9,

Because someone can just host a CP instance and now that instance even if defederated from other instances still provides a safe space for pedophiles to share content and other illegal stuff.

That is no different than someone just hosting their own webserver for the same purpose. They would find themselves in jail pretty quickly. If they do federate; they would be announcing their own existence. That would not be in their interest if they wanna fly under the radar.

Regarding names, I don’t really know. Maybe instances can have blacklists of allowed names, if they care about it. Perhaps they leave the responsibility of blocking users you don’t like, to you.

luthis,

Totally unrelated, I heard a couple of South Africans at work mention ‘the k word.’ I was like wtf is this, so I asked them.

The word was kafir. And I was like, ‘you mean like the lime???’

Yeah, apparently kafir is a slur. I’ve only ever heard it used in the context of kafir limes.

As far as limes go, they are kinda average. Hard to squeeze. I’m not a lime expert though.

ttmrichter,
@ttmrichter@lemmy.world avatar

“Kafir” is an Arabic word meaning “disbeliever” (teacher lie: the reality is a bit more complicated).

“Kaffir” is an Afrikaans pronunciation corruption of the term, first used to describe the pagan African communities, but then applied even to monotheists (who are technically not kafir in Islam), and then, in the end, applicable as a racial slur to all blacks: the Afrikaans equivalent of the n-word.

Not to be confused with the German “Kafer” which means “beetle”.

luthis,

Thanks for elaborating! I’m learning so much today.

dezmd,
@dezmd@lemmy.world avatar

I’m kinda concerned if this issue has no solution because it’s a pretty sharp edge of the double edge sword of having instances anyone can create and host.

That concern is because you want a target for some outrage reaction takes, rather than just being thoughtful and aware of how things work in the first place.

**What’s stopping someone from making henious content hosted on a website, or any sort of webservice at all that has nothing to do with fediverse/lemmy? **

**Morality, decency, the community, the ability of hosts to self-police, the law itself, and law enforcement. **

This may feel anonymous, but just like with any other service, you are and will be tracked, even using tor and similar technologies to try and hide, it’s not at all foolproof.

olorin99,

Because someone can just host a CP instance and now that instance even if defederated from other instances still provides a safe space for pedophiles to share content and other illegal stuff.

If someone it stupid enough to publicly host CP on their own instance then I very much doubt they would be able to hide from the cops. If they are privately hosting illegal content then I don't think it really matters what software they are using.

nyar,

Nothing.

gabe,

Decades of jail I would assume. Federating is basically just announcing to the world what’s going on LMAO

untrainedtribble,

I’ve had the same thought. Can anyone make an instance and it’s automatically federated? It would make sense that to join the federation there would be an application process, gaining approval by receiving so many votes by already federated instances. But that doesn’t exist as far as I know and I’m sure would create a whole other set of issues and politics and skew the general idea here that this place is decentralized

muddybulldog,

Federation is enabled by default. Defedersting takes explicit action…

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