Different digital world views

Provider-Exclusive: “There is only the app of my provider.”

Provider-Centric: “There exist other apps, but the one I’m using is the main one.”

Service-Centric: “There is no main one and I’m trying to use the one that fits my ideal the best.”

Protocol/Ecosystem-Centric: “There exist other protocols/ecosystems, but mine is the main one.”

Fediverse-Principle: “There is no main one and I’m trying to use the one that fits my idea of an open ecosystem the best.”

Current state of different web2 apps:

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/77be0c33-2cea-4a92-8bdc-3d8e293c8f56.png

ieatpwns,

What’s the source of these images? I saw the post about it in passing a few days ago and forgot to save it and I no longer know what to search for.

blue_berry,
@blue_berry@lemmy.world avatar

…wordpress.com/…/we-are-in-the-middle-of-a-copern…

ieatpwns,

Sweet thanks

Pantherina,

Why is reddit better than youtube? That graphic makes no sense, I can stream and download youtube, but reddit blocks anyone using a VPN and even forbids Lemmy links.

nutsack,

that’s not what the chart is about

Pantherina,

I dont get the bottom chart then

haui_lemmy,

Others already said it but I‘m gonna say it again for good measure:

Only in theory does an integration of meta and other billion dollar businesses make sense. Its neither technically possible, nor is it safe.

Its not likely to end up in anything except meta profiting from our posts and us being force fed their toxic, ad ridden dumpster fire of a social media serivice.

Threads.net remains blocked

kbal,
@kbal@fedia.io avatar

Why'd mastodon, lemmy, pixelfed, and friends disappear in the last frame? They'll remain distinguishable even after fedi takes over the universe. It's the others that will be obsolete.

blue_berry,
@blue_berry@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t think that this will ever really be the case. Even if ActivityPub became public standard, there would always be other protocolls and different extensions/versions of ActivityPub. And that’s good, because only then can ActivityPub continue to develop, if we have an abstract idea to compare it to. And that’s the Fediverse for me.

smileyhead, (edited )

Most problems of the current Fediverse is because of how the Internet was build.

Current Internet has no social identity format, no open micropayment standard, no encryption by default so apps must reinvent their own, metadata leakages, namespaces like IP addresses and domains having centralized control, firewalls, NATs and other roadblocks disallowing most devices to host stuff…

Half of the Fediverse is hosted on Hetzner and the second half mostly on other big providers. User IDs are controlled by server admins. Even Nostr is just a band aid with it’s relays doing something Internet should be able to do - send data from device to device.

Flax_vert,

At least Hetzner is decent.

smileyhead, (edited )

True. So much Fediverse on them is a problem, but there is a reason why this is.

Really cheap, easy to scale, fast UI, no trackers, perfect IPv6 support, great CLI. And they are not a big tech, just a big hosting provider, nothing that could be against user freedom.

kbal,
@kbal@fedia.io avatar

So long as people who care about where their instance is hosted and don't like the big hosting providers can easily find services hosted elsewhere, I don't think it matters too much. But perhaps you can go ahead and start working on plans to some day decentralize web hosting in general and I'm sure lots of people will join in once the worst of the problems at the application layer are solved.

sabreW4K3,
@sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al avatar

Every couple days someone seems to post something that is essentially shilling for billionaire back social media in the fediverse and I don’t understand it. If you all love Meta and BlueSky so much, surely you would want to protect them and keep them as they are? Instead of boring us with this bullshit, why not post there?

And as for the conversation about how Meta’s logo is more recognisable and scalable, have a word with yourself. If Meta were as good citizens as you’re painting them to be, why would they start out by trying to change things that are established and recognisable?

ninpnin,

The current state graphic doesn‘t make any sense to me. Twitter is in the same box as mastodon? Lemmy in the same as reddit?

wetnoodle,
@wetnoodle@sopuli.xyz avatar

Yeah that one looks all over the place

halm,
@halm@leminal.space avatar

It only makes sense in the horizontal axis: both Twitter and Mastodon are microblogs, while Reddit and Lemmy are link aggregator forums. The column view is … cryptic.

blue_berry,
@blue_berry@lemmy.world avatar

It’s like a race towards the Fediverse :)

halm,
@halm@leminal.space avatar

In that case I applaud that open source and LGBTQIA++ is shown already at the finish line, cheering the rest on 🙂✊

blue_berry,
@blue_berry@lemmy.world avatar

You can already see how Meta will also use imagery to establish its centre-position in the Fediverse with its symbol for the Fediverse (it has a centre):

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/b0da9b41-a89f-4ae9-a121-e64d7672b5c1.png

(from mastodon.social/…/112139602260820054)

NickwithaC,
@NickwithaC@lemmy.world avatar

The two nodes are Facebook and Instagram constantly circling the drain of internet culture.

amju_wolf,
@amju_wolf@pawb.social avatar

…or maybe they just don’t want a busy looking logo.

blue_berry,
@blue_berry@lemmy.world avatar

Fair point

Zeppo,
@Zeppo@sh.itjust.works avatar

It also looks kinda like a pentagram, which might not work given some of their userbase.

halm,
@halm@leminal.space avatar

Come on, it’s only eViL if the star is upside down. Any weekend warlock of metal fan knows that. Also, hail Satan.

Zeppo,
@Zeppo@sh.itjust.works avatar

It’s slightly askew, so neutral in the Pentacle-Pentagram spectrum. That wouldn’t matter to “PATRIOT DOG MOMMY 🇺🇸🇺🇸✝️🇺🇸🇺🇸 MAGA 2024” on Facebook though. Obviously Satan.

halm,
@halm@leminal.space avatar

Yeah well, any social media that excludes Patriot Dog Mommy is a bonus in my book 🤘

Zeppo, (edited )
@Zeppo@sh.itjust.works avatar

That’s the problem, they’ve changed the logo in part to make it more welcoming to Patriot Dog Mommy 🇺🇸✝️

halm,
@halm@leminal.space avatar

Not really. The fediverse is so diverse and spread out, not even before the Muskalypse at Twitter could anyone really agree om anything. The “node federation” logo that we’re discussing is still formally a “proposal” 😆

Yet here it still is, it’s not changed although Meta or whoever tries to rebrand with their dumb orbital design.

Zeppo,
@Zeppo@sh.itjust.works avatar

I meant how Facebook chose a different logo than the commonly accepted one.

halm,
@halm@leminal.space avatar

Yeah, me too:

although Meta or whoever tries to rebrand with their dumb orbital design.

folkrav, (edited )

Yeah, I’m no graphic designer but the fediverse logo looks like a nightmare to render at small sizes, which is what designers are looking for in a logo, typically - something that is easy to recognize, tells something about the product, and scales well at all sizes, from favicon to building sized ad. I like that it conveys its own meaning really well, but it’s also extremely busy. So many crossing lines in such a small space just looks like a garbled mess at small sizes. Take this image and scale it down to 16x16px, you can see what I mean.

kbal,
@kbal@fedia.io avatar

I also am no graphic designer, but: maybe just remove those central lines if you scale it down so much that they're a problem. It'll still be recognizable and true to the spirit of the thing.

blue_berry,
@blue_berry@lemmy.world avatar

Because you didn’t like the article that much, here only with the coolest images …

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