When my job went remote from covid it was like getting a double digit raise if I count the commute as overtime and vehicle costs plus on site meals.
That means working from home is comparable to a pay raise. That does not mean that workers need to give anything up to keep it. It means companies need to pay more to people who are required to commute.
yup. I give a rate for 100% wfh and what the bump has to be for each day of the week expected in office. I will work in office but they will have to pay and its not cheap.
I absolutely will not part with pay to work from home. I will work for my regular pay, from home, instead of from work. If my job even attempts to lower my pay, I’m out and looking for a different one.
No compromises. Most of us are already underpaid when we do the job on-site.
Sounds like you're sticking to your guns, that's a good thing. But also don't go bitching if your job fires you because you don't want to go back you were going to look for one anyway
I know that it wasn’t, that was just an extra thought that I threw in that was related.
I don’t see how it makes my response nonsense, everything was on the topic of accepting lower salary for a new remote position except that sentence. /gen
Why would I complain? I’d just look for a different one. I’d do that whether I voluntarily quit or if I got fired. I don’t work in a field with very good job security so I always have a few backups planned.
They’re trying to bring us in 1 day a week right now because “The costs to remodel the offices and sublet a separate area are the same as if we just keep the space.”
Well, fuck off with that. I find a reason every week to not go in. I think it has been 4 months now.
If my boss gets pissy, so be it. I’m less efficient having to readjust to a separate working environment with all the distractions. I make sure I get less done whenever I have to be there…
No we won’t and this nonsense article tries to set a very bad precedent. I was dealing with this just yesterday, new job offer comes my way last month with 2 salary choices. Come in the office for 20% more pay, work from home for less. I’m already making the higher amount with my current job, working from home. So I pass, They counter and offer other perks, I pass. This goes on for 9 days now. Yesterday, I just told them to stop, I have zero interest in working with a company that tries every way to hire me except for what I ask for.
I might add that the financials of the company were north of a billion. Get paid for what you’re worth, not where you work.
Can I ask what it is you do? I had a back injury earlier this year and it’s starting to look like I’m going to have to give up my really good paying job at UPS and I might be in need of something far less physical.
Sorta kinda. I was the sudo IT guy for the church my in laws went to as well as their sound tech for front of house. I’ll have to look out for something like that.
Yeah this is just the bullshit of asserting that you’re less valuable if you work from home. Work from home needs to be seen more like a corner office but in a building where everyone can have one. It’s wonderful and if you can’t offer as much money it may cover the gap, but it’s more likely to cost you someone for not offering than save you money.
See, my job has me on camera a few hours every day. And then beyond that I’m productive by producing code, or diagrams. So while my work might be “hidden”, there’s a way to track it without me warming a chair in a big office.
This should be standard, people don't become less productive when working from home. Vast majority of wfh folks I know spend more time and are more productive at home. If my company tried to pull this nonsense (it wouldn't because its actually a great place to work) I'd immediately start looking for a different job. On Linkedin and other platforms I literally don't even consider or look at non wfh positions.
Also I don't know what jobs are thinking. Its stupid to think someone will change jobs for less pay and move into a non-wfh position from a wfh one. Those jobs should always be avoided, because they clearly think you're too stupid to do basic math.
I’d consider taking an in-office position if the trade off was I start my commute at 9, and leave so I get home roughly for 5, so the tradeoff is that my drive is on company time.
If part of my job is to look at the inside of my car for 90 minutes and then remote connect to my home computer from the other side of the city for some reason, and you’re willing to pay me more than my currently employer to do so: have at it.
this would still require a bump for me. I get to see my wife and dog casually all day. I am able to eat a nicer and cheaper meal at home as well as walk my dog at lunch. Then there is the additional environmental damage that comes out of my commute. That scenario would significantly reduced the bump I would expect from in office though.
I took a 20k paycut to go from in-person private industry with an hour commute to a fully remote federal position. I have never been happier in my life. I’m not exaggerating. I eat better, sleep better, exercise every day, spend more time with my family, get so much more done around the house. I could keep going. Every part of my life is better. Hell, my wife and I have better sex more often even. Easily worth 20k.
The job is kinda paying you for you commute then, which is something they should have been doing anyway. This just makes it more confusing than paying for your travel time.
But also, the company is saving money by not paying for an office, so I can argue that they need to pay me the same salary as rent for my office space.
Like, say I can work from home but I don’t have the space. Now I need a more expensive place with an extra room that I can dedicate for an office.
I don’t have the option of working from home, I’m just saying don’t let those fuckers hoodwink you in to less than you’re worth.
That’s absolutely valid but still isn’t an argument against being paid more to work from the office. If anything it shows you understand compensation for working from a specific location you’re just grandstanding for WFH.
No, I’m saying companies will say anything to justify paying you less. Don’t fall for it.
I’m saying you should be paid the same for the work you do whether you work from home or the office. If they’ll compensate you extra for travel, good, but without a union, good luck on that one.
I get what you’re saying now though, you’re speaking on less pay for the same work. If my boss offered me less pay for WFH I’d jump on it but my responsibilities would also be reduced and a number of other reasons it’s different for my current job.
Yeah I can see how that’s appealing, but it sets a precedent that will further enshittify the job market.
I understand that people have to do what’s best for them and their families and without a union making a stand like that would be damn near impossible. I’m just some guy on the internet but these are my thoughts on it.
That office will be there in that building whether you are in it or not.
The only thing you're saving is the power your computer would use and the miniscule amount of energy that it took to cool down your body heat and maybe an elevator if you go up at all by yourself
Not who you responded to but I have a set amount for non WFH. You see I work for who I want not who wants me. The WFH position is different from the non WFH one and requires different compensation.
Ah yeah I hear ya. If you’re switching jobs then go for it. I was thinking more like, your boss comes up to you (zooms you I guess) and says, “we’re gonna cut your pay because you don’t have to drive to work any more”
Yeah that would not cut it. I won't sign a contract with that. We can go on as written or they can drop me. Lowering compensation is never going to fly with me.
For remote work, I’ll absolutely settle for less pay… Right now. Once my company starts demanding I come in (no talks of it fortunately), I’ll be submitting for my hours and mileage. I’ve been WFH 3 years, at this point it’s more I’m going to demand more if you want me in a specific building.
Because people value working from home a lot, so a company doesn’t have to offer as much pay and they’re still likely to find interested, qualified candidates.
I think their true motivation is less available tax write-offs for that commercial real estate expense, which seems to me like piss poor adaptability of a company that a free market should eat alive.
We’ve reduced/eliminated our office bills with WFH and the money we saved went to executive compensation. How can we increase our salaries further? Let’s just take it from the employees
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