S_H_K,
S_H_K avatar

They made it a business. How many places in the world have private incarceration facilities?

Unhappily_Coerced,

Many countries have private prisons.

spicy_biscuits,
spicy_biscuits avatar

Oh! Many countries do it, so it's fine! Noted.

Unhappily_Coerced,

Not saying it's fine, just that stupid questions deserve stupid answers.

spicy_biscuits,
spicy_biscuits avatar

Then go find go find a stupid question to give your stupid answers to.

For-profit prisons are a fucking scourge, and they're way too common.

Unhappily_Coerced,

I already have though... I hope you have a better day, friend.

spicy_biscuits,
spicy_biscuits avatar

Ahh there it is

JakeHimself,

Someone asked a question and someone gave an answer. It isn’t a political commentary.

KillaBeez,

I left Reddit to escape bullshit like this

stappern,

reality?

ElRompeCulo,

Me too. The “America bad” thing got old on Reddit. I Hope it doesn’t take off here too.

Unhappily_Coerced,

It will, because leftists love to cry and moan on the internet.

MostlyBirds,
@MostlyBirds@lemmy.world avatar

If you don’t want to hear about America being bad, don’t go to the same places as people who live in reality.

ElRompeCulo,

I don’t deny the problems with this country. I vote to try and make this country better. Seeing the same posts about how horrible this country is gets old after a while. A majority of Reddit and this site would agree with the flaws of the US. The people who really need to hear this stuff aren’t on here.

LeZero,

You mean you vote to feel better about yourself, to try to sweep any guilt or bad feeling under the rug, and you feel upset when you get reminded electoral politics means jackshit in the US (and in most liberal plutocraties)

DreamerofDays,

I take it as “America has good ideals that it should live up to.”

Might be pollyanna-ing… almost certainly am, but I’m trying to take this Independence Day to appreciate what we’ve got, what my ancestors came to this country for, and that the maintenance of it, and the realization of its ideals, is a lot of work we’ve got to do yet, and will always be with us.

Machinist3359,

Pointing out flaws in the country shouldn't be seen as a personal attack or critique. Many of the victims of America are it's citizens (e.g., the incarcerated).

Nationalism just twists the government into our personal identity to manipulate us. Making fun of the government/system is healthy.

This isn't "Americans dumb" content, which attacks the actual citizens and understandably may weigh on someone.

DreamerOfImprobableDreams,
DreamerOfImprobableDreams avatar

There's a difference between "America has serious problems,let's get to work fixing them" and "America is inherently evil and can't be saved (and you're an idiot at best, a right-wing plant at worst for thinking otherwise)". The former fires people up to start making progess, the latter shuts people down or causes them to tune out of politics altogether.

And to be blunt, this particular meme feels like it's falling more in the second category than the first, at least to me.

magnetosphere,
magnetosphere avatar

I’m extremely happy to see a real conversation happening. This is actually worth reading, and not just another idiotic shouting match.

Yendor,

The thing is, America (many Americans anyway) are continually screaming at everyone online about how America is the best country in the world and everywhere else is a shithole - despite very few measures supporting that.

If you insist on telling everyone you’re the best, when you have so many serious flaws, people are going to mock you for it.

ImplyingImplications,

Hi. As a not American, I can say Americans get made fun of a lot by not Americans. We like to share these jokes with each other online, as not Americans also use the internet.

BettyWhiteInHD,

Let’s hear where you’re from.

ImplyingImplications,

Canada. I’d appreciate any joke. Personal favourites include our Prime Minister’s blackface, or changing the words of the national anthem to be “our home on native land”, or suggesting that we have two official languages: English and Chinese.

LeZero,
Monkeyhog,

You came to the wrong fucking place then.

ElRompeCulo,

Me too. The “America bad” thing got old on Reddit. I Hope it doesn’t take off here too.

ElRompeCulo,

I hope “America bad” doesn’t take off here.

Monkeyhog,

You came to the wrong fucking place then.

SharperScrimmage,

Reddit moment

AnonTwo,

I don't think this is exclusively a reddit thing

spicy_biscuits,
spicy_biscuits avatar

And I left reddit to escape idiots like you. If I can handle being disappointed, so can you. Shut the fuck up.

KillaBeez,

Ahh there it is

spicy_biscuits,
spicy_biscuits avatar

Gee, I wonder why you expected people to react badly to you 🤔🤔🤔

Guess we'll never know! You have yourself a good one. And if you're American, don't forget to wave your flag today! 😘

paddirn,

And potentially somewhere around half of that population is in there for non-violent crimes, with alot of inmates in for drug offenses, it’s absolutely ridiculous. Focus on the people that need to be in prisons, the violent sociopaths, stop trying to turn more people into criminals.

joel_feila,
@joel_feila@lemmy.world avatar

46% at state level are for violent crimes, at the federal it is 8% for violent crimes

victron,
@victron@lemmy.world avatar

Jesus fucking christ, but… I’m not even surprised.

Novman,

And an huge colonial empire ( europe/japan/korea )

lemmyshmemmy,

The US isn’t a colonial empire.

thecommunistpig,

Lmao what

Novman,

The US is one of the biggest colonial empires in history.

lemmyshmemmy,

Then it should be easy to provide an example of a US colony.

Novman,

Nato countries, easy.

lemmyshmemmy,

You can’t seriously believe that, come on.

Novman,

You can’t seriously believe that nato countries are really indipendent. The USA choose single ministers from certain countries and prime minister needs usa approval.

lemmyshmemmy,

Are you implying the US chose the prime ministers of Hungary and Turkey?

Novman,

Italy and Germany for sure… Even the chief of the european union… Hungary pretends to be against, but in reality, it follows what the usa want. I don’t undestand why usa don’t simply aknowledge the reality of their empire instead of pretending to have allies.

SteveXVII,

Do you have evidence for this claim?

Novman,

It is not official ( of course ) , but very well know. Very former high official have confirmed that ( not officially of course ). The secrecy of real usa status is notorious. See what happened to Assange…

SteveXVII,

Do you have a source for that?

Novman,

So you can delete the sources? Tipical american…

SteveXVII,

I am not an american (thankfully) , and what do you mean by deleting sources?

rayquetzalcoatl,
@rayquetzalcoatl@lemmy.world avatar

Nice to see that even here - a shitposting forum - whenever anybody posts anything negative about America, yanks can’t handle it.

GiddyGap,

As we have all learned from Jack Nicholson, the truth is hard to handle.

ox0r,

Must be nice not getting dronestrikes by some distant nation that is full of psychos

julesiecoolsie,

Freedom freedom freedom OI! Time to eat this delicious flag

joel_feila,
@joel_feila@lemmy.world avatar

i watched that episode last night

trekman10,
@trekman10@union.place avatar

I love how it's full of people whining about having left reddit to escape this shit like bruh this is the fediverse

geissi,

Reminder that the US have never abolished slavery for prisoners and have one of the largest slave population in the world.

Zithero,

Yep… And every time there’s an employment issue for the agricultural industry, they whip out the prisoners…

However to the prisoner’s credit: They do an absolutely terrible job at whatever it is they’re doing.

Why? What are they going to do… Fire you? Jail you? You have no incentive at all to do the job well as a prisoner.

Bonus is by doing a horrific job it makes employers less likely to actually request prison workforces.

joel_feila,
@joel_feila@lemmy.world avatar

well the prison can not pay you and then you dont have the money for soap or tampon and get sick and literally in some cases die

snek,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar
Dohnakun,
Speculater,

Damn, that’s a powerful message.

KammicRelief,

Holy shit…

Narwhalrus,

This was incredible. Thanks for sharing.

bdonvr,

Fuck man…

jubilationtcornpone,

Listen, a lot of people don’t understand the key to the living well in the United States. It’s really very simple. Just be rich. You’ll have the best life ever.

If you’re too stupid to be rich (or you didn’t inherit a billion dollars from your parents), blame some poor brown dude for “stealing” a shitty job that you didn’t actually want anyways because it’s worse and pays less than your shitty job. It won’t make anything better at all but at least you’ll feel like you understand why everything sucks (even though you actually don’t) and you’ll have the benefit of living in poverty AND feeling smugly superior to someone else who also lives in poverty for stupid (racist) reasons.

And if you think about it, that sense of superiority is nearly as good (it definitely isn’t) as being rich.

ricky135uk,

And yet still most Americans think everyone is trying to sneak into their country! You couldn’t pay me to live there.

I’m surprised there is not more travel advisory warnings for travel to America 😮‍💨

evilspez,

The american continent is actually quite dangerous - if I remember right most of the top 10 dangerous cities are in south- or north america.

Also I once heard that the US is the country with the highest death rate which isn’t in a (civil) war…

Crimesawastin,

A lot of people try to get refugee status in the US, but the CBP puts them in open-air prisons in the desert. There are also are least 16 million undocumented immigrants living in the US. They don’t all have to “sneak”, they just overstay their visas.

The CBP was commissioned explicitly to enforce racial “hygiene” in the US. I don’t understand how they weren’t disbanded decades ago.

Bluetreefrog,

Wow.

elouboub,
elouboub avatar

Is there a community that exclusively shits on the US on the threadiverse?

Cynosure,

Lemmygrad as a whole enjoys it

ilikekeyboards,

-be the “first in the world” -everywhere you go yell “USA! USA! USA!” -sparking people’s curiosity and they look into your garden -they find a dystopian horror show, a land where billionaires are kings, millions deprived of liberty, hundred millions depraved of healthcare, an ever increasing tumour of fascists group that wish for some women and minorities to have fewer rights

-ohshit.jpg

You can’t have the biggest running circus without everyone starring and complaining and debating.

BurtsBS,

Tell me you’ve learned everything you know about the US from 13 year olds online without telling me you learned everything you know from 13 year olds online.

pizzatime,

he’s not wrong though. like, the mass shooting yesterday was something like the 340th so far this year? the place is fucking nuts

BurtsBS,

Now remove gang violence.

pizzatime,

hmmm so what, only like 20 then? you’re right, that’s absolutely an acceptable amount of mass shootings in the first half of the year.

totally normal and something every country experiences. my bad.

DamnedWizard,

We have that percentage because we actually lock up our criminals, unlike Sweden or Germany.

vreraan,

Are you stupid?

JakeHimself,

I don’t agree with this person, but I also feel like I’m missing something in particular if you’re asking whether this person is stupid for having that take. Am I? Is there something about those county’s prison systems that is important here?

vreraan,

In the USA there is no welfare system that prevents or cures mental disorders, weapons are freely sold and the streets are not safe. It is clear that the only solution there is to wait for someone to go crazy and be thrown in jail.

JakeHimself,

Fair enough

elouboub,
elouboub avatar

You didn't have to ask

pancakes,
@pancakes@sh.itjust.works avatar

Ah yes, Germany and Sweden. The last bastions for criminals all around the world. Oh wait, I’m 6-7 times as likely to be murdered in the US then those two places (Source).

eltimablo,

How can America have 25% of the world's prison population of the entire country doesn't make up even 10% of the world's population?

FierroGamer,

Other countries don’t hold as many people in jail?

captainkaba,

Damn u onto something

bdonvr,

Well see, that’s kinda the point of the post.

We’re “the land of the free” but also the land of the most non-free people.

x4740N,
@x4740N@lemmy.world avatar

There’s a few things missing from behind the mask

Hikiru,
@Hikiru@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve heard some prisons have minimum prisoner requirements, which is incredibly fucked up

JakeHimself,

How does that play out? Do they try to extend sentences? Can they try to influence intake?

Montagge,
Montagge avatar

Yes and yes

LeZero,

I remember there was a scandal in Pennsylvania where a judge was paid to funnel juveniles into a private detention center

npr.org/…/michael-conahan-mark-ciavarella-kids-fo…

JakeHimself,

:( That’s not nice

LeZero, (edited )

I dare to say it is incredibly fucked up, even more so when you consider those pieces of shit just had to pay a fine (a hefty one, sure) and didnt go to jail

magnetosphere,
magnetosphere avatar

For those who are interested, more detailed information can be found here.

cheeseburgers,

THEY’RE TRYING TO BUILD A PRISON THEY’RE TRYING TO BUILD A PRISON THEY’RE TRYING TO BUILD A PRISON FOR YOU AND ME

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