Lemmyshitpost community closed until further notice

Hello everyone,

We unfortunately have to close the !lemmyshitpost community for the time being. We have been fighting the CSAM (Child Sexual Assault Material) posts all day but there is nothing we can do because they will just post from another instance since we changed our registration policy.

We keep working on a solution, we have a few things in the works but that won’t help us now.

Thank you for your understanding and apologies to our users, moderators and admins of other instances who had to deal with this.

Edit: @Striker the moderator of the affected community made a post apologizing for what happened. But this could not be stopped even with 10 moderators. And if it wasn’t his community it would have been another one. And it is clear this could happen on any instance.

But we will not give up. We are lucky to have a very dedicated team and we can hopefully make an announcement about what’s next very soon.

Edit 2: removed that bit about the moderator tools. That came out a bit harsher than how we meant it. It’s been a long day and having to deal with this kind of stuff got some of us a bit salty to say the least. Remember we also had to deal with people posting scat not too long ago so this isn’t the first time we felt helpless. Anyway, I hope we can announce something more positive soon.

aport,

Contact the FBI

Ertebolle,

This is good advice; I suspect they're outside of the FBI's jurisdiction, but they could also be random idiots, in which case they're random idiots who are about to become registered sex offenders.

The_Picard_Maneuver,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world avatar

They might be, but I’d imagine most countries have laws on the books about this sort of stuff too.

droans,

And it’s something that the nations usually have no issues cooperating with.

The FBI has assisted in a lot of global raids related to CSAM.

assassin_aragorn,

There are few situations where pretty much everyone universally agrees to work together. This is one of those situations. Across cultures and nations, pedos are seen as some of the most vile people alive.

synae,
@synae@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Perhaps most importantly, it establishes that the mods/admins/etc of the community are not complicit in dissemination of the material. If anyone (isp, cloud provider, law enforcement, etc) tries to shut them down for it, they can point to their active and prudent engagement of proper authorities.

Railing5132,

More importantly, and germaine to our conversation, the FBI has the contacts and motivation to work with their international partners wherever the data leads.

gowan,

You might be surprised to discover that the USA does not believe their laws end at their borders. That is why Kim Dotcom was arrested by the FBI in NZ for violating US law.

In this case I doubt any LE agency abroad wouldn’t like the tip off.

Touching_Grass,

I’m not saying anybody takes csam less serious. But I wish the American government Went after minor csam events as much as they go after copyright/IP violations. Its not like mike pompeo flew out to other countries to strong arm them into new laws to prevent csam like they have done with pirates who threatened Hollywood profits

gowan,

We did that back in the 1990s under Clinton and a bit under GWB as well. If I recall correctly we got really firm with Japan about how they needed to ban CP there.

jarfil, (edited )

There is no CP and no porn in Japan… add some tiny censor bars, and it’s just some wholesome family tentacle fun!

That one backfired spectacularly.

gowan,

As I recall the laws at the time were that you could not show pubic hair so naked kids who had no pubes were fine.

jarfil,

TIL. Oh well, it probably will keep backfiring as long as Japan insists on having “morality laws” instead of something more objective.

jarfil,

I wish the American government Went after minor csam events as much as they go after copyright/IP violations.

Easy: claim copyright/IP on the CSAM… uh, no, wait…

Resonosity,

Yeah there was even that case where a citizen and resident of Mexico was arrested and detained in the US for breaking US law, even tho it technically didn’t apply to them since they were under Mexican sovereignty… Borders mean little to the US

CantSt0pPoppin,
@CantSt0pPoppin@lemmy.world avatar

I have to wonder if Interpol could help with issues like this I know there are agencies that work together globally to help protect missing and exploited children.

GeekFTW,
GeekFTW avatar

'Criminal activity should be reported to your local or national police. INTERPOL does not carry out investigations or arrest people; this is the responsibility of national police.'

From their website.

assassin_aragorn,

What the hell do they actually do then?

GeekFTW,
GeekFTW avatar

"Interpol provides investigative support, expertise and training to law enforcement worldwide, focusing on three major areas of transnational crime: terrorism, cybercrime and organized crime. Its broad mandate covers virtually every kind of crime, including crimes against humanity, child pornography, drug trafficking and production, political corruption, intellectual property infringement, as well as white-collar crime. The agency also facilitates cooperation among national law enforcement institutions through criminal databases and communications networks. Contrary to popular belief, Interpol is itself not a law enforcement agency."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpol

assassin_aragorn,

Huh. Thanks!

TheTimeKnife,
@TheTimeKnife@lemmy.world avatar

The FBI reports it to interpol I believe, interpol is more of like an international warrant system built from treaties.

Ab_intra,
@Ab_intra@lemmy.world avatar

FBI would be great in this case tbh. They have the resources.

dylanTheDeveloper,
@dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world avatar

The FBI has offices in alot of other countries and work with local law enforcement.

www.fbi.gov/contact-us/international-offices

Can’t really hide from them unless you live in North Korea or Russia

jarfil,

Wait, is this like China having police offices in other countries?

I knew the US collects taxes on their citizens no matter where they live, but isn’t this kind of excessive? Wasn’t INTERPOL supposed to take care of international crime?

dylanTheDeveloper, (edited )
@dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world avatar

For more than eight decades, the FBI has stationed special agents and other personnel overseas. We help protect Americans back home by building relationships with principal law enforcement, intelligence, and security services around the globe.

It is similar to China’s international police but keep in mind quite a few other countries have a similar setup

jarfil,

I’m just surprised that it’s FBI personnel, I thought the CIA was in charge of international affairs, with INTERPOL acting as liaison for the FBI with other countries.

IIRC in the EU we have EUROPOL acting as liaison between the national law enforcement branches, and while there is nothing stopping personnel from one country to enter another, I don’t think they do. But maybe that’s more like the state vs. federal jurisdictions in the US. On the other hand, it’s been some time since I’ve looked deeper into it, and things keep changing.

ivanafterall,
ivanafterall avatar

This isn't as crazy as it may sound either. I saw a similar situation, contacted them with the information I had, and the field agent was super nice/helpful and followed up multiple times with calls/updates.

Daisyifyoudo,

This doesn’t sound crazy in the least. It sounds like exactly what should be done.

BitOneZero,

yha, what do people think the FBI is for… this isn’t crazy. They can get access to ISP logs, VPN provider logs, etc.

deweydecibel,

I think what they’re saying is that contacting the FBI may seem daunting to someone who has never dealt with something like this before, but that they don’t need to worry about it. Just contact them.

akippnn,

Under US jurisdiction, yeah. Could be slightly more difficult depending on the country, LEGAT can’t conduct unilateral operations so they’ll have to cooperate with foreign authorities. These assholes can get away with exploiting jurisdictional boundaries. Hopefully they will be caught, but oh well.

firediviner,

Can you please stop pinning threads globally? or maybe add toggle so people could disable it in their feed

MrWafflesNBacon,

Yeah same here, I’m fine if it’s pinned for just a day then unpinned globally afterwards through.

zzpza,

I’m sorry you (and the other admins & mods of the community) have to deal with this shit, it’s disgusting. Thank you for doing what you do.

carroarmato0,
@carroarmato0@lemmy.world avatar

As someone who was a moderator on a nothorious website, it can at times feel like shoveling water out of a boat while it’s still leaking. Efficient and robust tooling makes a very big difference, but it’s not waterproof. Mods cannot be appreciated enough.

UnD3Rgr0uNDCL0wN,

BTW search doesnt work on here. Cant actually get it to open different comminities.

Roflmasterbigpimp,
@Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve actually never seen anything of this stuff so good job!

uranibaba,

Same here, this is the first I’ve heard of it.

root,
@root@lemmy.world avatar

Thank you so much for the transparency and for all your (and the teams) work to keep things running for us <3

uis,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

Is there a way to see all reports made by myself and see their statuses?

howsetheraven,

Would someone be able to ELI5 why lemmyshitpost has this problem but other communities don’t or at least seemingly? I would think if they can do this to one lemmy.world community, wouldn’t they be able to do all?

RanchOnPancakes,
@RanchOnPancakes@lemmy.world avatar

Very confused by that as well. Its odd.

aidan, (edited )

My understanding from what I remember is that the community was largely where one user was posting pro-Republican memes(but I might be misremembering the community) so I suspect it was the targeted effort to shut up that. (If I am remembering the community correctly).

Edit: Nevermind the community I was thinking of was !shitposting

givesomefucks,

Oh yeah…

Lots of Democrats are willing to post CSAM to stop one random idiot on Lemmy from posting fucking “pro republican memes”

aidan,

I didn’t say democrats, I said one person. I don’t know their ideology, and like I said I don’t remember if that was the same community- and can’t check.

givesomefucks,

Oh, you’re that rightwing teenager who wants to abolish education that got a mod spot in one of the politics subs because you said you wouldn’t remove right wing propaganda…

Now I understand what you’re doing here. Spreading rightwing propaganda.

aidan,

I’m not a teenager, I don’t want to abolish education. I’m not spreading right-wing propaganda, I’m stating why it could be that it was localized to this community. I think you could and at some point may have 4chan users or whoever do this same thing to other communities. But 👍 discredit me as a person rather than what I put forward (not as a fact, just as I said clearly as a vague memory).

PS. It depends what you’re definition of right wing is.

FartsWithAnAccent,
@FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world avatar

Just saw this: That is fucking awful. Thank you for your service to the community and for protecting us from seeing that shit.

figaro,

Lemmy devs NEED to get mod tools out asap. Approved posts only, whitelisting users for communities, etc.

helloharu,
@helloharu@lemmy.world avatar

Honestly, as a moderator of a community this shit concerns me to no end. We desperately need more tools.

SwallowsDick,

For some reason I only got this on my feed now. But if you read this mods, thank you for all your hard work

Clbull,

To me this is a flaw of federation in general and I really think the solution should be to defederate yourselves from other instances until further notice, and only federate with trusted communities.

With how Lemmy (and the fediverse in general) is currently set up, what’s stopping malicious actors from just creating another Lemmy instance of their own then targeting another community until you’re forced to close that one like you did with Lemmyshitpost.

mvirts,

Don’t forget this happens with sites like Facebook and reddit but they pay people to clean up and sweep it under the rug. At least the visibility shines light on the problem.

infinipurple,

I mean, you have a point, of course, but the aim of these digital terrorists is precisely to take Lemmy down. These attacks are happening across many different instances and the long-term solution cannot just be to give up.

But if all the instances work together on a federated solution, we might have a chance to keep Lemmy alive long enough that a) this sort of thing will naturally die down, and b) the collective efforts will allow bad actors to be identified and stopped no matter where they’re coming from.

Rawdogg,

What kind of lowlife piece of shit do you need to be to post some shit like that? Some people will stoop to the most depraved levels just to fuck with strangers, it’s horrifying

havokdj,

Brother, I know what you mean but this is a question you already know the answer to.

Zaki5549,

To the person uploading such things, don’t they ask themselves, what if that was your child?

BloodForTheBloodGod,

You don’t want that answered, trust me

sugartits,

No, they don’t.

These “people” have no empathy. They literally don’t care, and nothing you can say or do will make them care.

They are scum. Simple as that.

Kbobabob,

Acting like no parent has ever hurt their own child. People can do messed up stuff.

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