Appreciation post for Liftoff not collecting user data or injecting ads.

I was looking forward to trying Sync today now that it’s live, but my enthusiasm was immediately dampened after seeing the “Data Safety” section on the Google Play store.

Liftoff has been great, and want to say thanks for making an awesome app. This will continue to be my daily driver.

Edit: for clarity, because the post got way bigger than I expected.

Sync looks like a fantastic app, and the dev/s should charge whatever they feel is fair for their efforts, even if that’s through the usual ads + ad tracking.

My intent was just to post here in /c/Liftoff to thank the Liftoff devs for managing to somehow offer an awesome app without any of that.

aetrix,

I’m really happy you love Liftoff and it’s great that we have so many options.

See how easy that is?

MixedRaceHumanAI,

Your bank collects your data, though.

bigkix,

“Oh, no! It’s collects data!” - say people who use search engines, smartphones, navigations, personal AI assistants and social networks created by big tech companies to trade in user data.

dx1,

All of those are awful and you should endeavor to use them as little as possible…particularly when alternatives that don’t mine your data exist…

GerryMandering,

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    bigkix,

    No, that’s legit! Also, not something 99.9% of people who complaint about privacy do.

    greyfrog,

    People have a complete right to complain about privacy and make their own choices with what they find acceptable. All of those examples you listed are where people are making a concious choice. Apps sneaking in data collection is not acceptable, people are most likely to already trust the app when the rug is pulled from under them.

    MichaelTen,
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    God bless Liftoff and Lemmy. Limitless Peace.

    klyde,

    Ugh. Lemmy turning into Reddit with dumbasses.

    happy_camper,

    so just normal reddit then?

    SwallowsDick,

    We did it Lemmy

    randomperson,

    Well we got what we wanted I guess.

    maajmaaj,

    We keep looking at this like it’s about the apps themselves and not the precedent it sets. paying for a app while possibly neglecting the financial requirements of the instance admins (I set up my monthly payment to .world’s Patreon Yesterday) that actually host the content you’re looking at on said app.

    Zeroxxx,

    And how is it different than reddit?

    We paid for the app (or free app) but zero direct financial contribution to the platform.

    I do not like corporation but it seems disingenous to post like you just did on an app’s ‘subreddit’.

    maajmaaj,

    Mmmm… I deleted my original response because yours disappeared for some reason, but I use liftoff and everybody should donate. That pretty much covers what I said in my original comment. I still don’t understand what you’re getting at though.

    Amazed,

    Is it a silly idea for apps to give a cut to instances people frequent? Genuinely curious.

    maajmaaj,

    Too many instances. Financial cat corral.

    Laticauda, (edited )

    Bro, of course it has a data safety section, it offers a paid version so it will need to be able to collect your financial information, and any trackers are removed if you remove ads or turn off personalized ads. That doesn’t mean it’s stealing your data, those are regular app functions for apps that have iaps or show ads.

    Classy,

    download camera app

    App requirements: Access to files

    OMFG THE CAMERA APP IS STEALING ALL OF MY DATA

    AndreyAsimow,
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    Chinese apps do most probably

    Zomg,

    I care a bit more about Lemmy’s future and growth that to fuss about an app collecting information. I don’t think anyone complaining about the privacy actually read their privacy terms.

    Nova,

    Yeah, if people don’t like it, they shouldn’t use it. End of story. It’s not really a big deal.

    Use the app you like. Sync is the only one that really works flawlessly for me so I’ll support it.

    If people ever want Lemmy to become mainstream, they’re going to start support some of the more mainstream features.

    BrokenToshy,

    All I’ve learned from today’s drama is some of you people really love apps. People getting enraged over which apps people are using…

    Lemmy really seems to attract even more terminally online people

    ExperimentalGuy,

    I mean a lot of the people on here seem a bit more on the technical side, so it’d make sense imo

    _hovi_,

    And a lot of us are only trying lemmy because of reddit killing 3rd party apps, which were great apps. Now using lemmy through infinity and it feels good

    ExperimentalGuy,

    That’s amazing, I hope u decide to stay :)

    worsedoughnut, (edited )
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    You’d think that, but so many of these users complaining don’t understand how ad serving works. They’re acting like this is some outrageous conspiracy to gather user data by the dev himself, or are being willfully ignorant about the proof that none of ad tracking SDK even loads when you use either the one time removal or the subscription.

    I really thought that most of the early adopter crowd for a federated service like this would be at least mildly technical. But no, that’s a stupid assumption in hind sight.

    ExperimentalGuy,

    I honestly didn’t know this and I’d consider myself pretty technical, just not very familiar with serving ads. This is really cool, how’d u learn this?

    worsedoughnut,
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    Right, and that’s totally fair. But one might expect a more tech savvy userbase to at least try and understand what’s going on or being said by other users. Instead, there’s just a lot of parroting going on, which is disappointing and also kinda needlessly harmful to the app’s / dev’s reputation among the users here.

    If you used the DuckDuckGo browser, it can act as a fake “VPN” to intercept and block tracking requests from other apps on your phone. Multiple users have shown in the comments of a bunch of different threads that none of the tracking links are firing off when you load / use the app if you’ve already paid for either the one-time support or the subscription model.

    Prethoryn,
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    Often times people on the internet think they are more techy or correct than they are. The other issue is this makes other users feel like the are actually less techy but the truth is an internet search can teach you a lot about how the Internet works.

    My issue with the Lemmy community is that they think FOSS some how makes things more private and secure when that is indeed not at all how privacy or security works and there is enough evidence to suggest you are not secure no matter if it’s FOSS or not FOSS.

    There is also a mentality that paying for something makes it harmful or bad.

    My argument for this is, “you will bother to pirate a game like Zelda for free because you love Zelda so much but then complain about Nintendo being bad because it walls things off. Zelda however would not exist without Nintendo and paying for Zelda would pay the devs to continue making Zelda even if it also means giving Nintendo money. So your logic is play a game you love but don’t contribute to that game because you hate Nintendo?”

    The same can be said about the sync drama. You want FOSS but can openly admit Sync looks nice and operates nice but you won’t pay a price for something that seems better. Well the good thing is you don’t have to. Sync isn’t a problem because people want to pay money for an app that works. You are the problem however if you want to dictate how people use browse the web with an app of their choice.

    FOSS is great. Lemmy wouldn’t be here without FOSS but Lemmy’s users decreased because Reddit’s downfall and the community of users that came have talked about how poor some of the FOSS Lemmy apps are. However, they love Sync and sync also brought more people to Lemmy. People who are willing to pay. People who are making your platform more well known. An app like Sync is also offering a smooth experience and introduction to Lemmy and people will pay for things that work nicely.

    explodes,

    That’s just like your opinion man

    ExperimentalGuy,

    I think your comment brings up a good point about the intersection between what the old user base of Lemmy wants (everything is foss and transparent) and the newer user base that doesn’t necessarily not want that, but it isn’t as much of a priority to them as it was. And with the change in the user base you see a change in opinion towards deprioiritizing what the old user base wanted.

    Dynamics like this are always so interesting, huh.

    Mdotaut801,

    Yeah. And don’t you dare talk shit about Linux. If you talk shit on apps and Linux, prepare for death threats and page long comments that you’ll never read.

    yuriy,

    lil reminder that this was posted to the liftoff community. the sheer volume of comments echoing the same “fuck you for complaining, you’re wrong” sentiment would really make you wonder. it’s not like you wandered, drunk, into their community and started shit talking sync.

    coincidentally that does seem to be what most of the sync-stans in here have done, though.

    NightOwl,

    Yeah, there is this feeling of a weird cult movement from them where daring to not use Sync or criticize anything about it is seen as an affront. I could understand the reaction if this was posted on the Sync community. They leap to accusations of you must not pay for anything you cheapskate as opposed to not understanding that some just don’t support the current model, so don’t use the product.

    There’s lot of products that are better than alternatives, but people choose to not use for whatever reasons. Like dare I say it…reddit still when it comes to niche communities.

    Laticauda,

    I’ve used liftoff, connect, Jerboa, voyager, and sync. For me personally, sync is easily the best app functionally out of all of them, followed by voyager. I liked liftoff better than Jerboa, but stopped using it and went mainly to using voyager because of how liftoff handled messaging which I found frustrating and confusing. Idk if they’ve changed it since then, but that ship has sailed for me anyway since liftoff doesn’t offer anything I want that I couldn’t get from sync or voyager. I didn’t use connect much because it was very buggy for me so I can’t really compare it to the others. Voyager is my next choice after sync, but it still had a lot of issues that I haven’t experienced with sync so it’s still only my second choice.

    I’m biased, since I’ve liked sync since I used it for reddit, but I’m not a stan by any means. I’m waiting to see how things play out since the app has only been available publicly for a day or two. Personally, I think if someone wants to make a salty post in the liftoff community about another app that isn’t liftoff, then it’s only fair that people who use that other app can share their own opinions in the comment section of a post on a public community, particularly when the post specifically brings up that other app as a topic.

    maajmaaj,

    I…uhh… I totally did that to the sync community stone cold sober, I just wasn’t paying attention. I thought I was still in the memes community. And then I doubled down with a Futurama reference. My bad y’all.

    yuriy,

    honestly i think a lot of it is just growing pains, for a huge swath of users this is a new and potentially confusing environment lmao

    maajmaaj,

    Very true, everything will probably settle in a few months, if that.

    slawcat,

    I’ll play devil’s advocate. Let’s look at some facts and the timeline.

    Sync for Reddit has 1,000,000+ downloads, according to the Play Store listing as of writing. It has existed since ~2012 and is well established as one of the best Android reddit apps. To put that number into perspective, that’s roughly one Sync user for every 2 posts on Lemmy (lemmy.world/post/2581495).

    Liftoff is a brand new app created for Lemmy. Further, Lemmy itself is just becoming known. There aren’t many people here.

    Sync announces and releases the beta of Sync for Lemmy.

    Everyone who has Sync for Reddit installed still gets a notification that Sync for Lemmy is available.

    Sync for Lemmy becoming available means that many more people are about to sign up.

    The topic of Sync for Lemmy, regardless of whether it’s positive or negative, is at the top of Lemmy’s “All” in multiple posts all week. That is happening on a lot of communities, this post on Liftoff being one of them. Naturally, people who enjoy sync are going to see these posts and will want to voice their opinion. Can you blame them?

    I think it is disingenuous to assume malice in the sense that sync-stans are actively searching for negative Sync posts like you are claiming.

    Adding in my personal bias: I think the majority of the anti-Sync conversation is rooted in gatekeeping newcomers to the fediverse. Which is really, really unfortunate. But that’s the kind of attitude that exists in online forums like this so that’s what we’ll get.

    I am using Sync and will continue to. That’s my personal choice. Everyone has their personal choice and that means others should fuck off about that choice. This goes for both sides, but I think it’s more important for the anti-Sync crowd to hear because right now it seems like they are the ones who are truly up in arms about it all.

    yuriy,

    to be clear, i don’t think they’re actively searching. the “drunken wander” bit is specifically aimed at people who got here from an “all” or “local” front page, but then started engaging without acknowledging or even noticing where they were, much like a drunk might do after wandering into someone’s home lol

    i do love the response though, very well thought out and structured. thank you for being so constructive on such a hot-button topic.

    Holodeck_Moriarty,

    OP here, and I honestly didn’t expect this post yesterday to get so big, or to cause a debate.

    Sync looks fantastic. Ads and ad tracking stuff isn’t abnormal and is totally up to the devs, but I just wanted to express my gratitude here in /c/Liftoff for managing to offer an awesome app for free, without any of that.

    AphoticDev,

    Here we are, with rabid FOSS fanboys complaining about tracking in an Android app. Probably posting these angry threads from their Samsungs, loaded down with baked in spyware and adware, and acting superior cause they fiddled around on DuckDuckGo long enough to figure out how to install F-Droid and think now they’re elite hackers in total control of their device and data.

    If you’re running a stock ROM, you’ve already given all your data away to the manufacturer and Google, at the very least. So don’t come on Lemmy bitching about tracking, when half of you wouldn’t know what privacy was if I beat you to death with it.

    You exquisite knobs. You absolute baffoons.

    wmrch,

    Yeah and we all know that if you’re not using a dumb phone and an Unix machine disconnected from the internet you’re an exquisite knob and shouldn’t worry about privacy at all and anyone should have the right to access your data.

    What a bullshit take.

    AphoticDev,

    You’re like a dog, loaded down with ticks, complaining about the single flea on him. That’s what you sound like, you know?

    wmrch,

    I didn’t complain about sync’s privacy policy or closed source anywhere. I just think your comment is weird and it’s a strange hill you’re dying on.

    Mr_Dr_Oink,

    Why is it starting to smell like reddit in here already?

    NightOwl,

    Because we are all from reddit…

    Mr_Dr_Oink,

    I was only saying that joining lemmy was a chance to get away from pointless arguments about nothing that no one else cares about. It has been a place of polite and reasonable discussion where disagreements are just differences in opinion and not arguments.

    If it just becomes reddit 2.0 that will be a shame.

    NightOwl,

    Why would redditors who left reddit be different because the URL changed? People may have left for a variety of reasons, but that has little to do with their commenting or posting style. At most maybe communities of interests thst gain traction, but that doesn’t make them anymore special than the average internet user.

    Mr_Dr_Oink,

    Up to a point it seemed like the ones that wanted to argue all the time were the ones who didnt care what was happening to reddit because of spez so they stayed on reddit. But thats starting to change.

    Although i would say its quite inaccurate of you to reduce the differences between reddit and lemmy to a URL change. Theres quite a bit different between them and if you think this is just a new place for people to be dicks to eachother then you might be part of the problem.

    Why waste a chance to start fresh and be different? Why would you want this to be the internets toilet paper 2.0

    NightOwl,

    I just left because I wanted to try something that wasn’t run by a corporation for the intention of monetizing the user base. I didn’t expect any different when it came to behavior which is why I had been hoping for RES type levels of filtering to become available as the userbase grew, since I knew it would be necessary to start curating content. Welcome to the internet.

    Mr_Dr_Oink,

    People who use the phrase “welcome to the internet” unironically, are the worst.

    Ive been here since day one of the reddit black outs and i can tell you that, regardless of my expectations, i found this place to be much more harmonious and polite in terms of discussion.

    There was a brief period of time where i found myself posting something relatively innocuous and then bracing for an argument that never came.

    You say you just expect lemmy to be as bad as reddit, and i say that’s kind of the problem.

    NightOwl,

    I never said I expect lemmy to be bad as reddit. Actually I’d say my experience in reddit has been really positive until the end. I mainly used stuff like RES to block stuff I didn’t have interest in which tends to clutter /r/all. Made /r/all nicer experience seeing more content I wanted that I might add to my collection of subreddits I enjoyed until the end.

    Anyways, what it sounds like you want is heavier moderation, which in that case I recommend places like beehaw. Moderation is an important part of setting the atmosphere.

    Weird thing is I didn’t even see much over the line behavior from this discussion thread over all. Aside from some few comments throwing in unnecessary personal insults. You actually have been partaking in personal attacks despite making yourself seem above it, so check yourself on that too. But, overall it’s just people disagreeing about the app which is fine. I’d say it’s been cordial overall.

    Mr_Dr_Oink,

    Not sure what personal attacks you are referring to. I would happily conceed if you can show me/point me to an example.

    You said above that you didnt expect the behavior here to be any different to reddit which is why you use filters to avoid the toxicity. I took that to mean you found the behaviour on reddit to be bad and thought it would be the same on lemmy. Was that not what you meant?

    Also im not the one who threw out a “welcome to the internet” like it was some kind of slam dunk to shut my point down.

    I dont want to argue about this, feel free to give your response but then lets put this to bed.

    NightOwl,

    You are the one who insinuated that I am unironically the worst and that I am part of the problem. If you are going to act like you are above other people at least try to behave more cordial if it’s people behaving like “dicks” that has you riled up.

    And my main point of welcome to the internet wasn’t some dunk. It was implying that people here aren’t anymore superior or special over people on reddit. Despite what people back on reddit liked to believe and some people on lemmy now. As I said before. Key to a space having the atmosphere you desire isn’t the individuals, but moderation. It’s the mods holding things together more than the individuals who are just as unruly as any other userbase if not kept in check. As much as users like to believe themselves to be superior there needs to be some humbling in that area. Moving to lemmy does not make them a special group than the people who stayed back on reddit that is a group above the negatives of reddit.

    As for filtering? Well I usually have blocked all news, politics, and a whole bunch of meme focused communities over the years on reddit. The default subs like pics, funny, gifs, askreddit, etc. Would you put those subs in the category of toxicity? There are others reasons people block than a community itself being toxic. I’ll go out of my way to block entertainment I’m interested in just to try to reduce chances of spoilers. Filtering benefit to me isn’t just for toxicity, but curation in the absence of algorithms. I can understand the confusion though if your use was only for blocking toxic communities.

    Mr_Dr_Oink,

    I said that people that use the phrase without irony are the worst.

    I know thata not much different as im still insinuating that people like that are the worst. But im entitled to my opinion. I wasnt aiming it directly at you. But i accept that it sort of includes you if you meant it unironically. But i dont know one way or the other if you did.

    Welcome to the internet is very condescending and i was simply clapping back. Dont put that on me if you started it.

    I dont think im above people. Or above you. Im sorry that what i wrote came of that way, it was not my intention.

    I also only questioned that you might be part of the problem based on what you were saying aboit not expecting thinga to be different here. I think thats pretty valid and isnt talking down to someone.

    I think you are are maybe seeing something thats not there.

    Im sorry i offended you. Im sorry i lumped you in with other people who i see as dicks.

    wmrch,

    I mean disagreements are inevitable if you’re on a platform posting comments and stuff. But also I’m already tired of discussions like this. Let’s just leave it at that.

    adolf_hitler,

    Oh, pipe down!

    Plagiatus,

    With that username of yours? Absolutely not.

    adolf_hitler,

    such ur ass up

    AphoticDev,

    If it’s a hill I’m gonna die on, I’m sure I’ll be downvoted into oblivion.

    Araozu,

    Posted from my LineageOS phone, no gapps, microG, only foss apps.

    I hope you felt good and happy writing your comment, unlike the rabid, angry, superior acting, elite hacker, bitches, knobs, baffoons FOSS fanboys.

    AphoticDev,

    Yes I did, thank you for your concern.

    victron,

    It’s already getting old tbh

    RaoulDook,

    People that diss open source are dumbass dipshits. You should be ashamed of yourself.

    Open source software runs most of the Internet and this social media platform. It has provide more value to every one of us than any closed source retail software ever could.

    And yes I do care about privacy. I only run de-googled AOSP phones and my home network has pi-hole and a VPN. So I will go on and on about how FOSS is better, thank you very much.

    DeadNinja,
    @DeadNinja@lemmy.world avatar

    Agreed.

    AphoticDev,

    Exactly where did I diss open source? Did you read my comment, or just jump to the reply button?

    RaoulDook,

    I copied and pasted my own comment from another thread, because I thought it was still good haha. Maybe it doesn’t apply perfectly but I think the sentiment is relevant.

    lemann,

    At least you were 💯 about it which is a rare thing to see

    NightOwl,

    What’s with the insults just because people aren’t using Sync? I don’t understand the fanaticism of worship that seems to be around it that people react in this manner to those who decide to not use it.

    rikudou,

    Well, Sync brought more of the yucky Reddit people which were a minority in the first migration.

    AphoticDev,

    I use Jerboa, which is the best client for Lemmy, not Sync.

    KSPAtlas,
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    The best lemmy client is the one you like the most, I’m using Thunder, but someone could hate it and use liftoff or jerboa or something

    deweydecibel,

    Did it? I’m not seeing any more activity than normal in the last 24 hours, to spite that 10k downloads number on Google play

    deweydecibel,

    Sync has an extremely fanatical fan base that orbits around its dev on their discord. It’s like a whole community, they think of the head dev as their friend, and they get extremely defensive of Sync.

    Because one time a a few years ago a bunch of users complained about a really bad UI change, and the dev was so hurt he stopped developing for a bit. So they took it upon themselves to be his personal goon squad, dispatch from the discord if someone shares a negative post about sync there.

    NightOwl,

    That makes sense. Discord communities help foster more of a fan base with the increased level of interactions and live chatting people can have each other. So its probably much more personal to them whereas for us it’s just another product to use or not.

    Fissionami,
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    Sync VS FOSS thing isn’t over yet? Let everyone use what they like the most. Let everyone be the judge of their own data and how it is being used. For god’s sake, live and let live folks

    Historical_General,
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    We’re on the Liftoff community. And it’s his opinion.

    PopOfAfrica,

    I would rather not normalize closed source software. Might as well just go back to Reddit.

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    PopOfAfrica,

    I should clarify. I don’t want to normalize it… In the FOSS sphere (Lemmy).

    But also you really shouldn’t flout how frequently your data is pillaged and sold out. Its an embarrassing look.

    I for one use exclusively FOSS software outside of my banking app.

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    PopOfAfrica,

    Morals have nothing to do with it. Im, quite plainly, saying that is is pretty stupid to put your data into closed source apps.

    Only ignorant people do that.

    The only reason I use my bank app is because its literally required to exist in America. If it were up to me, it wouldn’t be.

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    PopOfAfrica,

    Most of the world is by definition ignorant of data privacy.

    Absolutely.

    It doesn’t take a genius to understand it, just someone who is not ignorant.

    But, by all means, continue to give your data to whoever you want to.

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    PopOfAfrica,

    If you aren’t ignorant, than you are stupid.

    You know the stove is hot and are showing your palm into it. That isn’t ignorance.

    Most mankind is ignorant to data privacy, and that says nothing to their intellect.

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    PopOfAfrica,

    See, you are trying to debate whether the stove top is hot or not.

    I’m not going to debate that because its quite apparent what these companies, and by extensions governments, do with this data.

    You are allowed to touch a hot stove. You are not allowed to debate whether or not it’s hot.

    Like I said, touch that stove, knowing it’s hot if you want, I can’t stop you.

    Takumidesh,

    But you don’t actually know what code is running on a given lemmy server. Just because the source is open, doesn’t mean that any given server is using the reference implementation, admins could be running whatever they want on their backend.

    PopOfAfrica,

    That’s why it’s imperative that the app which communicates with the server via Lemmy’s api, IS open and auditable. That’s how we prevent maligned actors from using data they shouldn’t have. You can audit what is being sent from an open source app.

    Araozu,

    Do you know yourself for a fact that no data is being taken by Sync itself?

    And its a fact that Google and Firebase are taking your data. Even if Sync itself doesn’t collect any data, it uses Google products (as stated in their Privacy Policy which I’m 1000% you did read), and any and all google products will take your data.

    That’s the point of using a FOSS client, if it collected data people would know, the code is public. And the data collection can be removed, since the code is public.

    Even outside of data collection or privacy, which clearly you don’t care about, we should avoid giving Google more power. Look at manifest v3 or the web integrity API. That affects not only your privacy, but your security and ability to use the internet. And not only yours, but the whole world

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    dx1,

    Firebase is typically a dependency for key app features. If the app still works 100%, you’re probably not even blocking the traffic.

    Using Google Drive/Photos is just another problem. Amazing to me people keep bringing that up like a “you’re a hypocrite” trump card.

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    dx1,

    What API isn’t loaded for subscribers? Firebase?

    And no, for me using Google Photos isn’t a problem - it’s a really nice solution.

    “It’s not a problem because I choose to ignore the downsides”

    Araozu,

    Well, you are just one of the (majority of) people who apparently don’t care about being tracked by google. Me personally, others in the comments and maybe OP don’t use anything google related, have custom ROMs without gapps and avoid Google like the plague. So it is a concern for us, using Sync would open the door to google tracking.

    Others have pointed out that even if you pay for pro, Sync still requires Play Services.

    You seem to happily Google products, so my point wouldn’t apply to you. I just thought that most people would be concerned about google and tracking and fingerprinting and all that stuff, since we are in Lemmy and the Liftoff sub.

    grue,

    I, for one would rather actively work to de-normalize it!

    There, is that written accurately enough for you?

    Laticauda,

    Christ, closed source is not the devil, and if you treat it like it is then it shows you don’t actually know how open or closed source works, or the pros and cons of both types of software.

    PopOfAfrica,

    Let’s break it down this way. Let’s look at incentive structure’s.

    An Open Source application can be forked, and has no incentive to use data in a maligned way.

    A closed one can earn tons of money by doing just that.

    As I argue with most things, Capitalism is the main issue and it permeates through all facets of life by having backwards incentive structures

    Classy,

    God forbid a developer wants to own the code they write and be able to pay their bills doing it.

    A fork “can be used” to stab someone in the jugular but it doesn’t mean we need to get rid of all forks to ensure it never happens. People need to be smart with who they trust and who they give their money to. LJ isn’t putting a gun to your head and forcing you to buy his app, but I’m gladly paying for it because I feel like he’s an upstanding guy and frankly he’s just better at building a good UI than anyone else on Lemmy (and yes, I’ve tried at least 5 different apps. Second best was Connect.)

    SRo,

    You like eating shit?

    PopOfAfrica,

    Closed source enthusiasts sure seem to.

    randomperson,

    I would rather not normalize software that looks and works like a high school project made by someone who doesn’t know what UI or UX are.

    madcaesar,

    UI UX Can be fixed tho.

    hexagonwin,

    It’s a bit weird. I installed Sync yesterday but I don’t get any ads. I don’t have a system wide ad blocker or anything. Note that I don’t have GApps.

    Contend6248,

    Maybe he uses adsense? I don’t know for sure, but i guess that’s not implemented into microG

    lemann,

    😁 ads implemented in microG would absolutely crack me up

    PsychedSy,

    He’s using adsense afaik.

    andrr_464,

    Ads are bugged

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/35f2d8fb-d8f1-4ef3-89ba-87bbcac27be8.jpeg

    Laticauda,

    I don’t get ads either, and I don’t even get placeholders. Idk if it’s a bug thing or a regional thing for me.

    JohnnyDanger,

    This is a really shitt opinion. Everyone wants good apps and service, but no one wants to pay for them🙄

    Zeeroover,

    People pay. Sync is the greedy one. Fuck ads therefore fuck Sync.

    What you think Sync pays to the Lemmy devs and the instances it connects to?

    Zeeroover,

    They really have an army out today. The $ync fanboys.

    blunderworld,

    Believe it or not, I dont think these posts are part of a mass conspiracy to indocrinate the world into the Sync cult. Touch grass, bro.

    habanhero,

    Why do Sync dev need to pay Lemmy and the instance?

    The price is for the client, not for the Lemmy platform or instance hosting (which is free, being the point).

    Zeeroover, (edited )

    Why put ads (on something with no ads) and have users pay to remove ads. And then complain people won’t pay other people who put in the hard work.

    That’s some first class disrespect. To both users as well as platform developers.

    You enjoy that first class crap.

    Edit: It’s official, the $ync army consists of insufferable, ball sucking douchebags.

    Edit 2: Stync brought all those spez loving people over, or they paid for a marketing campaign. $100 app for some mediocre frontend shit. Insanity.

    m0nky,

    I completely disagree with you, but am upvoting for the entertaining temper tantrum. Great stuff.

    Deftdrummer,

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/7e71eda8-4fab-48f7-a791-d8a3af724ec8.mp4

    Laticauda,

    The sync dev’s source of income is the app. You don’t have to use the app if you don’t want to pay for it you big whiny baby.

    AphoticDev,

    “What’s a good temper tantrum without a little homophobia?” - Zeeroover

    habanhero,

    You are talking as if Sync dev went and plastered ads all over Lemmy web app, Voyager, Infinity, Connect, Thunder etc.

    Those are still ad-free, so people who love them can continue using them. Those who want to pay Sync can pay Sync. Lemmy platform remains unchanged. What’s the problem?

    You enjoy that first class crap. Edit: It’s official, the $ync army consists of insufferable, ball sucking douchebags.

    I do enjoy Sync and I hope to continue to. I ain’t mad but you seem to be, I just don’t understand why.

    Zeeroover, (edited )

    The problem is that in multiple communities Sync has people spamming their ad infested crap. I can only block so many communities and suckers, including you.

    Edit: Thanks $tync for Lemmy, for bringing all those brainless consumers into the conversation. Better get rich of it fast.

    habanhero,

    Just wait it out, people are excited about Sync but they are not gonna post forever. Block me if you want, you do you.

    beatit,

    Hey man. You should download Sync

    Mr_Blott,

    Hi Zeerover, please go back to Reddit, we left because of poisonous little kids like you.

    Thanks and have a nice life

    Zeeroover,

    I haven’t been on Reddit for 6 years and you can’t even read (or type) usernames correctly so you go and try to have a life.

    bitsplease,

    You say that as though there aren’t far more posts on the front page of lemmy right now trashing sync than those praising it. Most of the discussion around it is people trashing it, not people praising it

    Let people use what they like and get over the fact that not everyone wants to use the same software as you. The fact that you feel the need to block people because they enjoy a piece of software you don’t like says a lot more about you than it does about anything else

    I really don’t get why so many people are so bent out of shape about an app they don’t even have to use,

    Zeeroover,

    Well, on my feed there aren’t. I do let people use what they want. I’m just pointing out that putting ads (or insane payments) over open source software is a dick move.

    Stync is just some front end stuff. If you think it’ll help the platform than throw your cash at it. I think it’s a farce.

    bitsplease,

    Well, on my feed there aren’t

    That’s odd, given that you’ve posted comments and many of the highly upvoted anti-sync posts on the front page rn lol - meanwhile I can’t find more than handful of barely upvoted pro-sync posts on any community that isn’t specifically for the app.

    I think it’s a farce.

    Yeah you’ve made that pretty clear lol, and you’re welcome to think that, given that no one is making you use it, nor are any of their users basing their decision making on your personal opinion about it.

    I’d also disagree that a $20 one time payment for high quality software is “insane” but clearly you and I have very different views when it comes to this stuff, so no point in arguing back and forth.

    If I were you, I’d just move on and ignore it - spending as much energy (literally doz3ens of comments based on a quick look at your post history as this on not liking something as trivial as a lemmy app isn’t healthy, especially since your comments seem to be getting more and more toxic as your “discussions” continue…

    EDIT: Just navigated from this comment to my front page and saw this

    https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/842b36dc-8c5e-4f28-a494-78dbedbfb141.png.

    Of the top 10 posts, 5 (and mostly the 5 nearest the top) are people complaining about Sync, so tell me more about how it’s the Sync users who are spamming all over Lemmy about their app preferences lol

    Angry_Maple,
    @Angry_Maple@sh.itjust.works avatar

    If people like something, they are always owed it, in it’s fullest form, totally free of charge! Devs can just use a food bank …/s

    Some of these comments though…

    FlagonOfMe, (edited )

    All code should be free! No one should ever make a living writing code. It makes no damn sense. Writing code is the easiest thing on the planet. Asking money for it is pure greed.

    I guess I should have added “/s”. I really didn’t think it was needed. 😅

    Zeeroover,

    Not what I said. You can write code, open or closed source, and make a living. Putting ads on an open source foundation is for cockroaches.

    lemann,

    Putting ads on an open source foundation is for cockroaches

    Literally the Web and Android’s (Googled) ecosystem… is ads on an open source foundation 🤷‍♂️ and people outside of techie circles couldn’t care less about that, they just want stuff that works.

    Is it really worth kicking up a stink over a single app that affects you in absolutely no way? Different strokes for different folks. Unlike the web, you have the choice of multiple good FOSS apps to access Lemmy from, no adblocker extension needed

    mrlavallee,

    I will say in Sync’s defense that they have given free access to many Lemmy moderators and the instance admins of Lemmy.world so they are contributing in some way

    Zeeroover,

    Nice, the Lemmy mods and Lemmy.world admins can buy a big fucking sandwich with that access.

    beatit,

    Hey man. You should download Sync

    applejacks,
    @applejacks@lemmy.world avatar

    please go outside.

    NightOwl,

    Willing to pay and not wanting to support certain monetization models are two different things.

    That’s like someone calling someone who buys games but refuses to spend money on microtransactions cheap.

    Laticauda,

    What monitization models? Sync offers multiple options, including subscription or a one time payment, and a one time payment for the ad free option specifically. What other monitization model would you prefer exactly?

    NightOwl,

    When I first took a look it was only ads with a subscription model to remove it. Later got a $20 removal, but I don’t like that it uses stuff like admob for personalized ads over just generic ads.

    As for what type of monetization I prefer would be only a paid app without any ad integration at all that needs to be disabled. Or Apollo method of one single app without ads that pushes users towards the paid tier by having the free experience be very limited with one account sign in restrictions, no submissions, filter limits, etc.

    Anyways, I uninstalled and moved on to other apps. It wasn’t something that I found vital to use.

    notenoughbutter,

    I would happily pay for sync if there is a way besides the big G

    worsedoughnut,
    @worsedoughnut@lemdro.id avatar

    Use a DNS adblocker and support his patreon then.

    notenoughbutter,

    oh! didn’t know of the patreon page!

    I’ll sub to him now thanks

    lemann,

    Link please?

    notenoughbutter,

    www.patreon.com/syncforreddit

    athaki,

    Just tried Liftoff. Really enjoyed the interface. Grateful there are plenty of FOSS options out there for people who prefer using them.

    Cornelius_Wangenheim,

    I was using Liftoff before today, but I finally got fed up with the comment box bugs. I hate to say it, but Sync is the only Lemmy app I’ve used that isn’t a buggy mess or missing core features.

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