Updated - programming.dev defederation on hold

Update: In light of the programming.dev update here programming.dev/post/8399272, the defederation is no longer going ahead.

However, something more needs to be said. Even here on Blahaj, some of our users took issue with the choice to defederate over this issue.

So I would like to give some background and context.

Blahaj Zone exists, because both Kaity and I left mainstream social media to escape transphobia. Reddit, with its lackluster approach to fighting transphobia, and twitter, with its outright celebration of transphobia pushed us here, to the fediverse, and to create Blahaj Zone and Blahaj Lemmy.

To that end, we will continue to treat transphobia seriously. Our goal is to create a space where gender diverse folk can exist and let our defenses down a little, where we don’t have to worry about getting dragged in to an argument with a transphobe, or a bad faith actor “just asking questions”.

If you are looking for a more reddit like experience, where in the interest of increased engagement, we let low level transphobia slide, and push responsibility for dealing with it on to community mods and individual users, then you will likely not be happy with blahaj going forward. If you choose to stay here, understand that we may defederate again in the future over similar issues.

The choice is yours.

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It has recently been brought to my attention that the lead admin of programming.dev is engaging in ongoing transphobia.

You can see the conversation in question here programming.dev/comment/6131539

For that reason we will be defederating from programming.dev in 48 hours.

There are only three communities on that instance used by small number of our users, so this won’t have a big impact, but if you are one of those users, you will need to use an alt account on another instance if you wish to access the communities.

Fiivemacs,

I don’t understand what the fuck is happening on that conversation you posted. None of it makes sense to me and I personally can’t make heads or tails of who’s who, how something is hurtful or whatever. Literally none of that is clear to me. But do whatever you do as it really doesn’t effect me in any way, but I think defederating is stupid all around as it just isolates groups further into their own little echo chambers and ultimately kills the service it’s trying to provide.

Edit: ohhh you have to click more in the conversation. There’s too much to read. Also, the default page has a horrid UI. I’m having a very hard time seeing the flow of the conversation.

lautan,

Totally agree. This is breaking the community apart. You need to have thick skin in this world.

be_excellent_to_each_other,
be_excellent_to_each_other avatar

Then go run an instance where you federate with everyone. Or join one. Telling other folks what to do with their instances seems a bit wrong to me.

You need to have thick skin in this world.

This is always something people say about problems other people have.

lautan,

I’m giving feedback and hopefully they will reconsider. The fediverse is stronger together and people can decide if they don’t like the content to block it themselves.

be_excellent_to_each_other, (edited )
be_excellent_to_each_other avatar

What is the reason for federation in your opinion? Why aren't we all on Lemmy.world or kbin.social?

Edit:

I’m giving feedback and hopefully they will reconsider.

It doesn't seem like it would fit the description of the instance if they did. Unless they are going to force programming.dev to comply with their rules, which again, defeats the purpose of federation.

Are you a friend of Blåhaj? blahaj.zone is open for registrations for queer folk and their allies. We're a small instance, running on (a fork of ). If you're trans, gender diverse, or just really like plushy sharks, come and join us! We are accepting new members, but remember Blåhaj is a friend and ally to all LGBTQ+ folk!

sab,
sab avatar

I also don't see why anyone would choose a social media experience in which they need thick skin. The world can be annoying enough already, no need to make it worse.

It sucks if Blåhaj feels the need to defederate from programming.dev, especially since there are so many prominent gay and trans programmers in the open source world and the Fediverse. But that's life, they have aimed to create a safe space since the beginning and that's what they should stick to.

Fiivemacs,

Doesn’t sound very ‘social’ by limiting the types of social contact.

sab,
sab avatar

That's what social life is all about! Very few people walk around talking to everyone we see on the street - generally we limit the types of social contact we participate in. If I want to talk about painting model aeroplanes I might not be very interested in hanging out with the lumberjack community.

be_excellent_to_each_other, (edited )
be_excellent_to_each_other avatar

The capability to defederate is half the point of the fediverse. So a spez or a musk or a zuckerberg can't make things shitty for everyone.

You can run your own instance and federate with everything, or you can join an instance that does the same. No one is stopping you; that's what freeedom looks like.

The rest of your comment reads like this: I can't follow the conversation, which is about an instance I'm not a member of defederating from another instance I'm not a member of, as a result of some hateful comments about a group I'm not a member of. So I'm just going to disagree on principle even though the defederation won't impact my instance or me personally in any way.

Fiivemacs,

I can’t follow that mess of a conversation. It redirected me to my browser. Too many dropdowns and unnecessary replies to get to the meat and potatoes.

This is a useless discussion as well. Good day

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