bloodfart,

I will never vote for Joe Biden again.

MystikIncarnate,

I’d like to ask why, but I’m not sure I want the answer.

Jax,
  1. Idiot
  2. Fascist idiot
  3. Bot

I’d bet money it’s one of these three.

MystikIncarnate,

Given the replies that I didn’t ask for, I’m going to vote that it’s one of the first two.

bloodfart,

You literally responded to my post asking why.

MystikIncarnate,

No, I said I wanted to ask why (Aka, I have the curiousity to want to ask), then expressed that I didn’t really want to know the answer, which you still took as me asking, however, I didn’t ask. I only expressed that I wanted to.

bloodfart,

lol

MystikIncarnate,

Did you also have trouble in grade school asking if you can go to the bathroom, only to have the teacher all you “I don’t know, can you?” Then you got annoyed by it because you didn’t understand their point?

Were you one of those kids?

bloodfart,

When you don’t want to get a reply from someone, don’t respond to their comments. Click the little checkmark when they show up in your notifications instead of writing something back.

If they haven’t replied to you, just don’t comment in response.

The easiest way to not hear someone’s ideas is not to engage with them.

MystikIncarnate,

Thanks captain, I didn’t recognise you out of uniform.

bloodfart,

you can always just keep replying instead, but you run the risk of the other person who you have no desire to interact with responding back to you.

ultimately it’s up to the agent how they want to deploy the tactics and strategies outlined in Simple Field Sabotage.

MystikIncarnate,

This is boring now.

I will not reply again.

Enjoy your ignorance.

bloodfart,

Okay.

bloodfart,

Biden is the architect over 52 years in politics of an astounding number of this nations problems and many that affect me personally. He was a bridge too far in 2012 after I learned he wasnt just Obamas weird acting old guy vp.

I can’t comprehend how anyone was able to vote for him in 2020 and it’s deeply disturbing that anyone would support him now.

The_Che_Banana,

You can’t comprehend Trump?

…mmmmm

bloodfart,

If you believe that trump is an existential threat, saw what happened last time he was declared the loser of an election, recognize that the right is making plans to enact their policy through administrative action (project 2025) and you think it matters how you vote I frankly don’t know what to say.

I mean, sure, vote for Biden if you can keep your lunch down long enough, but that shouldn’t matter one whit compared to how well you prepare for an enhanced replay of January sixth.

I do not believe trump is an existential threat. The right can’t gas up the slow slouch into fascism because it would necessitate fucking up the stock market shell game bag and they won’t do that.

We’re going to get the same shit as last time except this time his administration will have done their homework and won’t have to seethe as wall materials get sold off for scrap value.

The_Che_Banana,

Trump isn’t an existential threat??? He is the goddamn reason Biden is president…

Plus he’s Putinz pissboy puppet.

bloodfart,

I swear to god.

Hey, you remember that country we spent fifty years undermining and sabotaging that finally succumbed in the 90s and was sold off for scrap? Well it’s back and it’s in control of one of our political candidates!

Russigate is a busybox for sequel brained liberals. It’s qanon for the actblue set.

The_Che_Banana,

…just 50 years?

So you’re so into politics you just can’t help yourself.

Neat.

bloodfart,

I can’t understand this one. Sorry. Some dogwhistles are audible to me and some just aren’t. Can you be a little more clear?

While the Soviet Union existed for more than fifty years before 92, the type of active sabotage of its project and very existence that would eventually lead to its downfall at the hands of the us didn’t kick into high gear till about halfway through ww2.

I, of course, am not suggesting that the Russian federation is ussr 2.0, but that it’s absurd to ascribe the power to control American politicians to a nation that just recently crawled back up to its pre-collapse level.

silent_water,

feelin mighty happy I voted for Gloria La Riva comfy-cool

MystikIncarnate,

It’s not funny anymore. Stop voting for Trump ironically.

Just… Stop. Please.

Cowbee,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Who is ironically voting for Trump?

Brokenbutstrong,

There were people when Trump was running who told me they would vote for Trump strictly because fuck the system

arin,

They did fuck the system alright

Cowbee,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

And you believe they are here, or people who share their views?

RememberTheApollo_,

Don’t forget the ones that did it for lols. Some just want to see the world burn. It’s like vaccines, they weren’t around when we didn’t have them, so they never saw the awful things that happened without them. Just like they’ve never lived under the horrors of authoritarian tyrants. They don’t know the horrors that can happen. Or they just assume they’ll be spared all the consequences.

starman2112,
@starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

Agreed. Better to let Trump win. Things will get much better under him.

starman2112,
@starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

A third party could win if we all got together and voted for them

starman2112,
@starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

Yeah, and I could be invisible if only all the photons bouncing off my body got together and agreed not to go into anyone’s eyes, but that ain’t happening anytime soon

starman2112,
@starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

I’m still voting third party. If Democrats see the support that communism has, they’ll be forced to appeal to us.

SwingingTheLamp,

You’d think so, but the history of the past 30 years shows that they’d rather lose, if it means maintaining the neoliberal economic order. As such, the DNC works entirely within a reductive paradigm under which they can only move in one dimension, right or left within that order. If they move one way, they’ll lose voters on the opposite flank, so they do the calculation and find that it’s better to move rightward.

Of course, there’s good evidence that Bernie Sanders would’ve attracted a lot of voters who consider themselves Republican. To fit that into their paradigm, though, it would require that voters make a huge, discontinuous leap from right to left, which doesn’t parse. It makes sense though when you consider that those voters don’t see themselves as right or left, but rather felt like Sanders spoke to, and cared about, their (working-class) issues. (It’s also the rigidity of this paradigm which made Democrats rage about “Bernie Bros” in their party refusing to vote for Clinton, which in actuality wasn’t a thing.)

The neoliberal economic order is very lucrative personally for our representatives, so good luck trying to get them to break from it.

starman2112, (edited )
@starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

Not necessarily. If the Democratic party loses more voters than they gain by appealing to communists, then appealing to communists would make them less likely to win, thus making Republican victory more likely.

RememberTheApollo_,

Yeah, and I’ll win the big jackpot in the lottery tomorrow.

That’ll happen.

SwingingTheLamp,

No! The Constitution says that it must be the Federalist Party vs. the Democratic-Republican Party, period. /s

RGB3x3,

Are… Are you arguing with yourself?

starman2112,
@starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

Just preemptively making the replies that I knew I would receive anyway

starman2112,
@starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

I’m not voting for someone who supports a genocide

starman2112, (edited )
@starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

Then you’re voting in favor of someone who will support it more. There’s exactly two possibilities this election cycle, barring any issues with mortality, and both of them support this genocide. When you get to your polling place, you should think about which option will be the most likely to lead to the best outcome. Obviously a third party would be the absolute best outcome, but it’s also the absolute least likely possibility. The only options that are likely are biden, who will maintain the current genocide, or trump, who will expand the current genocide, and also make your and your countrymen’s lives materially worse as well.

A lottery ticket is arguably the best possible way to spend your money, because you can turn $2 into a million. But you get that spending all of your income on lottery tickets is stupid, right? I hope I don’t have to explain this analogy any further

arin,

IDK how you got more downvotes than Trump, only answer is bots trying to get votes for military industrial complex man

kibiz0r,

Voting is about picking your opponents, not your teammates.

ShimmeringKoi,
@ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net avatar

My opponents are those carrying out and enabling a genocide

DSTGU,

That is very sad

kibiz0r,

Is it?

I figure it’s just how democracy has to work. Governance is too complicated to just set it and forget it every 2-4 years.

Even if you somehow elect an ideal candidate, you’re still going to disagree at some point during their term.

There are plenty of no-win scenarios, opportunities to trade a short-term loss for a long-term win, etc. where you might agree on goals but not tactics and you end up having to petition/protest them.

And that’s in the ideal case.

You might as well assume that whoever ends up in The Room Where It Happens, they’re going to sit down on the opposite side of the table from you — not next to you.

I guess that’s kinda cynical, but I really don’t mean it to be. I think it’s just a more healthy way to frame participatory democracy. Your job is not done at the ballot box. That’s just to set the parameters for the real work.

DSTGU,

It all comes down to the biggest pain of current elections: strategic voting. If there was an ideal candidate you wouldnt vote for him because you d vote less bad so that more bad does not claim the throne. There are numerous systems which solve this problem but somehow both less bad and more bad dont have any reason to establish them. Of course there are many other faults with current voting systems and especially US system. If you want a proof that the system is fucked and needs to be abolished look at 1992 usa elections - not only did 19% of votes equate to 0(!) spots in the house or senate, there is a reasonable arguement to be made that the fact that Ross Perot entered the election has changed its outcome (spoiler effect). It is sad that US elections have reached an equlibrium where there are only two possible candidates who dont even have to try. After all “47% of the people will vote for the candidate no matter what” (intentional misquote)

greywolf0x1,

the genocide?

it’s already happening…

arin,

Wow lemmy getting brigaded by military industrial complex bots? (The downvotes)

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